<b>The cat in a dog's world meme coin, the</b> <b>mew token almost doubled today in a</b> <b>market that's pretty much silent.</b> <b>An incredible and absolutely insane</b> <b>project that I recently came across. It's</b> <b>called mew or muse world.</b> <b>This is the rally I'm talking about.</b> <b>We're up 85% today alone.</b> <b>For too long, dogs have ruled the world</b> <b>and now it's time for cats.</b> <b>All right, everybody. Welcome back to the</b> <b>99B podcast. Today we have with us</b> <b>a representative for the mew project or a</b> <b>cat in a dog's world, Allie</b> <b>Cat. Cat in a dog's world has</b> <b>probably become the biggest meme project</b> <b>of the year or one of them</b> <b>and is on the precipice of</b> <b>breaking through the 100 top</b> <b>cryptocurrencies by market cap. Allie</b> <b>Cat, thanks for joining us.</b> <b>What an incredibly complimentary</b> <b>information about that. Wow, I had no</b> <b>idea you had that script.</b> <b>Oh my God, yeah, of course. I mean, you</b> <b>guys have been an</b> <b>awesome project and I think</b> <b>there's been, I think, no shortage of</b> <b>people giving you guys your flowers and</b> <b>deservedly so, I would say.</b> <b>I think, you know, we're</b> <b>just trying to do a good job.</b> <b>Yeah, and that's all we could do. So I do</b> <b>want, you know, before</b>
<b>we jumped on this podcast,</b> <b>we were talking a little bit before, the</b> <b>producer for this show,</b> <b>he's like kind of a half in,</b> <b>half out crypto guy and he was confused</b> <b>about anonymity in crypto</b> <b>and I kind of explained to</b> <b>him, oh no, that's actually how crypto</b> <b>was pretty much started with</b> <b>Bitcoin and with a lot of other</b> <b>cryptocurrencies. So could you explain</b> <b>for people that aren't too</b> <b>familiar with, you know, why you</b> <b>would want to be anonymous, why the</b> <b>project's been anonymous, why that is</b> <b>such a strong, you know,</b> <b>why that's something you guys, you know,</b> <b>believe in? Yeah,</b> <b>absolutely. I mean, I think that, and</b> <b>by the way, I want to address the fact</b> <b>that I have a cold to all of</b> <b>that before I get into this,</b> <b>but I think that first of all, there's</b> <b>something to be said for</b> <b>precedent and, you know,</b> <b>there's a reason why precedent is set and</b> <b>that is because</b> <b>unfortunately there are a lot of</b> <b>we could say bad actors or I wouldn't</b> <b>even say bad actors. I</b> <b>would say people who are</b> <b>looking for something who isn't there</b> <b>maybe and the idea that you</b> <b>could be like searched and</b>
<b>looked into and, you know, investors want</b> <b>all the info that they can</b> <b>get, right? Yes. Probably</b> <b>rightfully so, but at the same time they</b> <b>can misinterpret things</b> <b>and they can look for things</b> <b>that don't have relevance. They can look</b> <b>for things that, you know, are</b> <b>interpreted as a way</b> <b>that are either negative or positive, by</b> <b>the way, that are just simply not</b> <b>correct. And I think that</b> <b>it's really important to keep the focus</b> <b>on the project, you know,</b> <b>and that's something that</b> <b>people should really be looking at. And I</b> <b>understand that it's an</b> <b>emotional thing and, you know,</b> <b>people put their money into stuff, but</b> <b>the idea is the project is</b> <b>what is most paramount and not</b> <b>who's behind it, not who's working on it,</b> <b>and whether it be like</b> <b>their relevance to the project,</b> <b>like some people just get hired to do a</b> <b>little bit of work on a project. Some</b> <b>people are founders.</b> <b>And so I think that it's really important</b> <b>to make that stand out</b> <b>and say that doesn't matter</b> <b>and what matters is what you see in</b> <b>regards to the work that's being done.</b> <b>Yes. Wow. Yeah. Well put.</b> <b>Do you think though that when I was</b>
<b>explaining this to the</b> <b>producer, because I don't really get</b> <b>what I'm trying to say, but I told them,</b> <b>you know, crypto people in general can,</b> <b>since we're so internet dwellers, they're</b> <b>trying to find every bit of</b> <b>information, like you said,</b> <b>but you think that's even more, you know,</b> <b>germane to the meme crypto</b> <b>space, like is the meme crypto</b> <b>space of different people than just</b> <b>general? Well, yeah, he just doesn't</b> <b>understand how insane they</b> <b>are. For whatever reason, you know, we</b> <b>can talk about why that</b> <b>is, but it is. And, you know,</b> <b>listen, I get it too. Like I've invested</b> <b>in stuff and you have this</b> <b>innate desire to write in the</b> <b>telegram chat, like why is the price</b> <b>down? Why is this whatever?</b> <b>Like, let me look up this guy's</b> <b>LinkedIn. Let me do blah, blah, blah.</b> <b>But, you know, for whatever</b> <b>reason, we seem to attract</b> <b>a multitude of that group of people. And</b> <b>I just think that that</b> <b>could be a benefit too. We like</b> <b>eccentricity, but it just is, you know,</b> <b>there is a segment of</b> <b>people that for whatever reason,</b> <b>and maybe it's the fact that memes are</b> <b>kind of based in fortune</b> <b>culture, internet culture,</b>
<b>you know, a group of people that, as we</b> <b>know, if you are a part of crypto</b> <b>Twitter, which if you're</b> <b>listening to this, you probably are. You</b> <b>know that are not the same</b> <b>segment as like the rest of</b> <b>society. And so that's just what you're</b> <b>gonna get. And that's</b> <b>baked in. Yeah, no, I totally,</b> <b>I couldn't agree more. And at this point,</b> <b>fortune is, I mean,</b> <b>Twitter sort of make fortune seem</b> <b>I go I go on Twitter. This seems worse</b> <b>than fortune. I am very concerned about</b> <b>Yeah, it's it's all it's funny how I feel</b> <b>like for that that culture has gone</b> <b>everywhere. So Reddit</b> <b>like that, which is, you know, there's an</b> <b>element of that that is</b> <b>important to what we're doing,</b> <b>though, because I mean, look at anything</b> <b>that's being launched any</b> <b>day. It's like, that is,</b> <b>like I said, I don't want to use the same</b> <b>term, because I try to be</b> <b>eloquent. But it's baked in</b> <b>where it's like, you see these tokens get</b> <b>launched. And it's just</b> <b>so clear. You're like,</b> <b>oh, this is just fortune. Shit, dude.</b> <b>Like, this is literally the same culture.</b> <b>So before we got we jumped on, you're</b> <b>telling me you've been in</b> <b>crypto since 2013, which is</b>
<b>crazy over 10 years at this point, which</b> <b>I feel like in this</b> <b>industry is so wild, it ages you</b> <b>quicker. So people have only been in for</b> <b>five years, like myself,</b> <b>you learn quickly. But, you</b> <b>know, seeing the types of meme coins that</b> <b>come and go, how did you</b> <b>guys or how did you how do you</b> <b>think, you know, cat in a dog's world fit</b> <b>in with, you know, most of</b> <b>the things were inspired from</b> <b>memes from 4chan or their Pepe or doge? I</b> <b>mean, doge a little bit.</b> <b>But, you know, how what do</b> <b>you think? What have you noticed trend</b> <b>wise about meme culture about,</b> <b>you know, about how and how a</b> <b>meme project like this kind of came</b> <b>about? Well, let me be clear, I've had</b> <b>the privilege of fumbling</b> <b>more bags than you can ever imagine. So</b> <b>being in crypto since 2013</b> <b>is not what everyone thinks it</b> <b>would be. But I think this is actually</b> <b>something I'm really</b> <b>passionate about. It bothers me to know</b> <b>and that people think a meme in quotes,</b> <b>meme token needs to be a</b> <b>meme. You know, we can look</b> <b>at float, look at Shiba, we can look at</b> <b>these memes that okay, yeah, it's</b> <b>subjective for me to say</b> <b>like, they're not, quote, funny or</b>
<b>whatever. But, you know, I think what's</b> <b>most most important is</b> <b>the potential of intellectual property</b> <b>and is like, just the</b> <b>overall ceiling of what's being</b> <b>purported. I don't think</b> <b>that's the right word. But</b> <b>yeah, if it sounds right, we're good. But</b> <b>you know, I think that, sure,</b> <b>there are memes that are very</b> <b>funny. And there are tokens that are</b> <b>based on those memes. And</b> <b>that's great. But it's not a</b> <b>necessity for what is going on. And I</b> <b>think actually, in a way,</b> <b>it can be a shortcoming. And</b> <b>I don't want to speak poorly or badly</b> <b>about any other project or anything like</b> <b>that. But, you know,</b> <b>you become pigeonholed if you are, quote,</b> <b>just that meme. And</b> <b>something like new is really</b> <b>interesting in that anything can happen,</b> <b>right? This is a project</b> <b>where, whether it's animation,</b> <b>whether it's, you know, products, all</b> <b>these different things are</b> <b>a possibility. There's no</b> <b>like intellectual property issue,</b> <b>anything like that. So for people to look</b> <b>at it so specifically,</b> <b>and say like, Oh, it's not like a quote,</b> <b>meme. It's like,</b> <b>okay, yeah, she was like,</b>
<b>what was it like a number six token by</b> <b>market cap? Like, have you ever seen a</b> <b>sheba meme? That's like,</b> <b>I can't, I'm laughing so hard. So the</b> <b>place importance on that I</b> <b>think is is very misguided.</b> <b>And again, I don't mean that in a</b> <b>negative way about anything</b> <b>else. It's, you know, any other</b> <b>project that people are working very hard</b> <b>on. But, you know, the</b> <b>reality is, that's not very</b> <b>important. And, you know, you need to</b> <b>look at the potential of a</b> <b>project. And at least in,</b> <b>in my opinion, as someone who has been in</b> <b>crypto since 2013, by the way,</b> <b>you know, this is a very, you know, the</b> <b>potential is incredibly high.</b> <b>Yeah, that's such an interesting way to</b> <b>explain it. And really,</b> <b>the whole meme culture</b> <b>phenomena has been pretty interesting to</b> <b>me. I think especially if</b> <b>I wrote an article, and I'm</b> <b>curious what you think about this, about</b> <b>Cardano, and I suggested that</b> <b>the Cardano community should,</b> <b>you know, welcome memes and say, Hey, you</b> <b>know, memes are not that</b> <b>bad. They're, or, you know,</b> <b>their way to grow culture, their way to</b> <b>grow our kind of, you know,</b> <b>at least get attention to our</b>
<b>project. And I got so much flack on the</b> <b>article, guys from the</b> <b>current community were like, Oh,</b> <b>we don't need memes, memes are worthless.</b> <b>And they're basically,</b> <b>you know, short hype cycles.</b> <b>So I mean, do you see is maybe we can</b> <b>even like tie this into</b> <b>Solana a little bit. Do you see</b> <b>memes as something that, you know, does</b> <b>it pump and dump a coin or</b> <b>does it give a coin staying power?</b> <b>Well, first of all, I'm so</b> <b>shocked people attacked you.</b> <b>Yeah, I think that there's an importance</b> <b>to interest. Like</b> <b>there just is, you know,</b> <b>shit, I can't remember who said it. But</b> <b>there was once a good</b> <b>quote I heard, where they said,</b> <b>you know, why did the robber rob a bank?</b> <b>And he said, because</b> <b>that's where the money was.</b> <b>And the reality is, if that's where the</b> <b>interest is, if that's where the</b> <b>liquidity is, if that's</b> <b>where the capital is, then I don't</b> <b>personally think that it can be at least,</b> <b>you know, harmful to an</b> <b>extent that people should be concerned. I</b> <b>also, again, since I've</b> <b>been doing this for a very long</b> <b>time, like, there's been meme coins for,</b> <b>you know, in quotes</b>
<b>forever, but for a very long time.</b> <b>And it's not something that, to me, you</b> <b>should like raise a red</b> <b>flag. It's not something that,</b> <b>to me, a community should be like wildly</b> <b>against. Because the</b> <b>reality is, you know, whether it's</b> <b>GameStop or whatever, there is an element</b> <b>of a human being just sees</b> <b>opportunity. And it's like,</b> <b>you know, that concern to be on. And so</b> <b>if people think that maybe</b> <b>they can make some money,</b> <b>or that it's cool, or that it's fun, you</b> <b>know, I don't think that</b> <b>there's anything wrong with that.</b> <b>And believe me, I've had to defend that</b> <b>fact many times when I</b> <b>meet people. And they're like,</b> <b>what do you do for your hobbies or</b> <b>whatever. And I say make</b> <b>meme coins, or I help with</b> <b>coins, or, you know, any meme coin I've</b> <b>made has not done great, by the way. But</b> <b>it's like, it's just fun, you know, and</b> <b>to me, there's nothing wrong with fun.</b> <b>You know, I think also there's an element</b> <b>of like, yeah, don't put your life</b> <b>savings into something.</b> <b>Because you're, you're probably setting</b> <b>yourself up to be a critic of your</b> <b>article, if you do that.</b> <b>But, you know, in regards to if people's</b> <b>behavior is responsible, you know,</b>
<b>there's nothing wrong</b> <b>with the concept of a meme. Yeah, and it</b> <b>really is, you know, even</b> <b>talking about what Sun you said</b> <b>earlier, is that there really is almost</b> <b>being able to invest in something that</b> <b>you enjoy the art design</b> <b>of, or I'm thinking, for some reason, my</b> <b>mind went straight to Samurai Jack or something like that.</b> <b>So you had all these cool, these cool,</b> <b>you know, cartoons or cool cultural</b> <b>moments, and we kind of</b> <b>just watched them and kind of, you know,</b> <b>kind of just, I guess</b> <b>witnessed them, but weren't able to</b> <b>participate at all in them. And so I'm</b> <b>kind of thinking that, you</b> <b>know, when, as this keeps</b> <b>growing, you know, maybe we could have</b> <b>something like that,</b> <b>especially if you're guys with your</b> <b>animated partnership. But now I'm</b> <b>curious, how did you get into memes? Because I think for a lot of</b> <b>crypto investors, you do have a moment</b> <b>where you're strict crypto, you're strict</b> <b>Bitcoin, you're strict</b> <b>Ethereum, you're strict whatever, then</b> <b>maybe you branch on altcoins. And then</b> <b>eventually you get to</b> <b>the point you said before, all right,</b> <b>I'll have, you know, maybe</b> <b>I'll have some meme coins on the</b> <b>side, and then maybe meme coins becomes</b> <b>your life. So how did you,</b>
<b>you know, how did you get into</b> <b>memes? Well, I think, again, there's a</b> <b>difficulty in regards to the fact that, you know,</b> <b>there's a difficulty in regards to</b> <b>ignoring what's going on with the meme</b> <b>coin scene. And, you know,</b> <b>if you want to be like an investor, or</b> <b>want to be a part of an</b> <b>ecosystem or anything like that,</b> <b>and you're ignoring meme coins, you have</b> <b>to very much</b> <b>intentionally ignore the meme coin.</b> <b>Or rather, like, you know, all of the</b> <b>market cap that is going into</b> <b>it. And so, obviously, like,</b> <b>that's something that is going to pique</b> <b>anyone's interest. And I</b> <b>also think that there's maybe a</b> <b>little bit of exhaustion in regards to</b> <b>people talking about</b> <b>utility. There are so many projects</b> <b>that will explain to you again and again</b> <b>how useful they are. And</b> <b>that's great, but then you</b> <b>buy into it and you're like, okay, you</b> <b>have to, if it's so useful,</b> <b>what the fuck is going on? Why,</b> <b>why isn't this doing well? And then they</b> <b>see a chart that is going up</b> <b>that is a meme coin. And so</b> <b>it's a no brainer in that regard, right?</b> <b>Like, of course, you're</b> <b>going to go check out what is</b> <b>happening in this other ecosystem,</b>
<b>because you've been taught like, okay,</b> <b>this is a problem solver,</b> <b>and this is going to do this and that for</b> <b>society. And you've only lost</b> <b>money. And then you see your</b> <b>friend make, you know, however much on</b> <b>Shiba and you're all</b> <b>right, I've had enough of that.</b> <b>Clearly, like utility has, you know, it</b> <b>has importance to be</b> <b>clear, but it doesn't,</b> <b>it's not that end all be all. And I think</b> <b>that, you know, I saw</b> <b>that. I mean, that's,</b> <b>that's the long and short of it. And it's</b> <b>also funny to see, you</b> <b>know, this is, this is a weird</b> <b>anecdote, but I happened to realize just</b> <b>a few months ago, that I</b> <b>was literally getting my news</b> <b>from meme coin launches. Like, I don't</b> <b>want to say what the event was, because</b> <b>it's kind of tragic.</b> <b>But it was like, I learned what it was</b> <b>from the launch of a meme</b> <b>coin. So, you know, there's just</b> <b>an element of wanting to be a part of</b> <b>something that's fun, and taking a</b> <b>chance. And, you know,</b> <b>obviously, the bigger market cap tokens</b> <b>kind of have their own</b> <b>thing going on, whether it's</b> <b>Cardano, or whatever. And so it's, it's</b> <b>very easy to just look at the, hey,</b>
<b>what's the new launch,</b> <b>you know? Yeah, yeah. And I mean, memes</b> <b>have become massive, in a</b> <b>sense. And we were talking</b> <b>a little bit before this, that percentage</b> <b>wise, I think it was over</b> <b>90%, if you invested in meme</b> <b>coins this year, maybe we'll throw that</b> <b>graph on, on in front of all</b> <b>this and superimpose it. But</b> <b>did, do you think, you know, for any of</b> <b>you have any insight into</b> <b>this, being attached to Mew,</b> <b>do you think, you know, if Solana, as a</b> <b>platform, having the most meme tokens,</b> <b>do you think that Solana, you know,</b> <b>begins to outperform</b> <b>Ethereum? Or do you think platforms,</b> <b>like, does memes have, you know, a future</b> <b>of boosting platforms like that? I mean,</b> <b>base ever maybe releases their token,</b> <b>which I don't think</b> <b>Coinbase wants to as of now. But</b> <b>do you see, you know, meme tokens</b> <b>playing, you know, big role</b> <b>going forward in how platforms</b> <b>grow? Well, I think that there's a lot</b> <b>going on there in</b> <b>regards to like, you know,</b> <b>people like meme tokens, and they would</b> <b>get them on Ethereum.</b> <b>But guess what, when</b> <b>shit is hitting the fan, it costs a lot</b> <b>of money to fucking trade them. It does.</b>
<b>It's just the way it goes. And, you know,</b> <b>people will take the</b> <b>path of least resistance.</b> <b>And I've certainly been a victim of that,</b> <b>and couldn't believe</b> <b>the gas fees. And so,</b> <b>to me, it's a natural way of things kind</b> <b>of developing,</b> <b>because people, like, in our</b> <b>discussion today, we've already</b> <b>established that people want meme tokens,</b> <b>right? Okay, so for sure,</b> <b>if you want meme tokens, and you have one</b> <b>network that is, it's going</b> <b>to cost $75 to make a trade,</b> <b>and then you have one network, it's going</b> <b>to cost 10 cents, like, of</b> <b>course, you're going to go with</b> <b>the one that's 10 cents, right? Yeah. So</b> <b>I'm not sure if necessarily</b> <b>meme tokens are the cause.</b> <b>But I know that they exist, and that they</b> <b>are popular, and that if</b> <b>you provide a venue for</b> <b>people to trade them or create them, that</b> <b>is better. That's what people will do.</b> <b>Yeah, yeah, it does seem that way. I</b> <b>noticed for me, I think I</b> <b>started off of Ethereum in 2019.</b> <b>And then as I started working, getting</b> <b>paid in crypto as a</b> <b>journalist, people were like,</b> <b>I don't want to pay you an ETH because</b> <b>it's too much money. And</b>
<b>I've heard people go as far as</b> <b>to say that ETH is now a more of an</b> <b>academic blockchain. And</b> <b>there's no shade here because</b> <b>we love Ethereum here and 99Bitcoins.</b> <b>Well, of course, it's just, there's</b> <b>definitely exhaustion</b> <b>in regards to being told that that issue</b> <b>is going to be fixed. Yes,</b> <b>for sure. I think people have</b> <b>believed that and waited for it and</b> <b>continued to wait for it. And so it's</b> <b>like, all right, man.</b> <b>I heard it before. Yeah, maybe. It's like</b> <b>a political process.</b> <b>Yeah. Exactly. So I don't think people</b> <b>are necessarily</b> <b>against Ethereum. Like, hey,</b> <b>I think maybe people will come back. And</b> <b>obviously, there's a ton of</b> <b>liquidity on there and capital.</b> <b>And it's never going to be like a death</b> <b>knell, I don't think, or</b> <b>anything like that. But</b> <b>there's going to be a segment of people</b> <b>who just can't tolerate</b> <b>that, especially as it goes up.</b> <b>Like I said, when shit is hitting the</b> <b>fan, this plummet, or</b> <b>they go way up, it's like,</b> <b>okay, I wanted to take advantage of this,</b> <b>of this volatility. And</b> <b>yet, I'm unable to now because</b> <b>to make a single trade is causing $175.</b>
<b>Yeah, which you can</b> <b>ignore if you're doing well in</b> <b>crypto, but in terms of a bear market, or</b> <b>really, if you're doing</b> <b>well, you just start to say why?</b> <b>Well, yeah, I think that there's a</b> <b>mentality of like, I can't, no</b> <b>matter how much money I have,</b> <b>like that's crazy to do that. Yeah, you'd</b> <b>never do that. And the</b> <b>real world of Tron 5.</b> <b>Yeah, I did it again.</b> <b>God. Yeah.</b> <b>If only I didn't have a ton of personal</b> <b>anecdotes about that.</b> <b>Yeah, I think we all can share the same</b> <b>sentiment. Here's a good question for me,</b> <b>chairs. I wrote this one exactly down.</b> <b>And my little mini notebook</b> <b>here. So I want to get this</b> <b>right and your reaction to it. Quote, the</b> <b>truth about meme points is</b> <b>by the time you hear about</b> <b>them. It's way too late. End quote. Do</b> <b>you agree with that? Or</b> <b>what do you think about that?</b> <b>Um, I think that depends. I think that</b> <b>there is a lot of truth</b> <b>to that statement, frankly,</b> <b>if I'm going to be totally candid. But I</b> <b>think that if you're</b> <b>able to identify again,</b> <b>you know, if we go back to what I was</b> <b>saying about potential, you</b>
<b>can ride a wave of overall</b> <b>macro sentiment in regards to something</b> <b>being really, really</b> <b>successful. And yeah, maybe if</b> <b>something like 10,000 extra or whatever,</b> <b>in a bear market, that's</b> <b>not something that you should</b> <b>buy. Right. But I think that if you see</b> <b>something like you, frankly,</b> <b>you know, that has a ceiling</b> <b>that's incredibly high, and you can get</b> <b>an early in regards to like,</b> <b>clearly, the team is is doing</b> <b>a lot. And to be clear, because maybe we</b> <b>haven't talked about you</b> <b>that much. But yeah, we're gonna</b> <b>get into it. Yeah, okay. Absolutely. I</b> <b>just want to be clear, like,</b> <b>there is a level of work being</b> <b>done on this project that I have rarely</b> <b>seen ever being done in crypto. The</b> <b>listeners know how long</b> <b>I've been crypto by now. It's like, you</b> <b>know, maybe we place a ton</b> <b>of importance on on macro,</b> <b>and what that's gonna look like when, you</b> <b>know, we've all been in</b> <b>chats where it's like, normies</b> <b>are gonna buy this or whatever. But, you</b> <b>know, there is something</b> <b>to be said for the fact that</b> <b>like, building something of this</b> <b>potential, before people are really</b> <b>interested in in crypto,</b>
<b>can really benefit you, well, you or</b> <b>whoever. But the point is, I think,</b> <b>there's just something to be said for</b> <b>work ethic. There's</b> <b>definitely a lot going on with this</b> <b>project that I just frankly can't even</b> <b>believe. And I'm insanely</b> <b>impressed by. And I wouldn't</b> <b>even care if anything like, I would say,</b> <b>what matters is a project</b> <b>that is going to do really</b> <b>special stuff. And whether it's the Logos</b> <b>animation, whether</b> <b>it's like products, like,</b> <b>it's very infrequent that I've seen a</b> <b>project where I would say</b> <b>like, I want a shirt that has</b> <b>that logo logo. Yeah. You know, some</b> <b>fresh some fresh shoes</b> <b>that you guys have as well.</b> <b>Yeah, exactly. So that's just, you know,</b> <b>I don't want to come</b> <b>off as like a super hard</b> <b>shill. But like, the reality is, I just</b> <b>have infrequently seen</b> <b>a team do so much with</b> <b>a piece of intellectual property that I</b> <b>think has a ton of potential.</b> <b>What what element for cat in a dog's</b> <b>world, which is quite</b> <b>literally a perfect name, because</b> <b>all the meme tokens are dogs. And I think</b> <b>the story for me was</b> <b>actually really compelling,</b>
<b>too. I was a comic strip of this cat</b> <b>character against all these dog meme</b> <b>points. Whoever came</b> <b>up with that deserves a raise. But what</b> <b>single element do you think</b> <b>made me into this, you know,</b> <b>phenomena where people, you know, it</b> <b>exploded and it's, you know, something</b> <b>that pretty much all</b> <b>meme traders, you know, have their eyes</b> <b>on at this point? I think,</b> <b>like we talked about, it's not</b> <b>there's no level of singularity to it.</b> <b>There's just a lot that can</b> <b>be done with it. And I think</b> <b>that it's also very fun. Sure, maybe it's</b> <b>not like, and listen, I</b> <b>don't want to get into any of the</b> <b>beef or whatever with other cat tokens.</b> <b>It's like, there is just a level of</b> <b>malleability. I think it's a good is a</b> <b>good way of putting it. And in regards to</b> <b>anything can be done with it. And people</b> <b>really like the design. And</b> <b>it just went from there. And,</b> <b>you know, I think also people saw the</b> <b>potential that we</b> <b>described earlier, in regards to</b> <b>what this could be, they probably also</b> <b>saw the fact that the team</b> <b>is doing a very good job.</b> <b>And there's a lot of things that in that</b> <b>regard are unique, because</b> <b>I don't know how many meme</b>
<b>coin telegrams you're in. But sometimes</b> <b>you join them and you're not very</b> <b>impressed. And so I think</b> <b>that there's an element in that regard</b> <b>that people, you know, having</b> <b>confidence instilled is very</b> <b>powerful. And that was very clear. Yeah,</b> <b>telegrams can turn into a</b> <b>jungle very quickly. It's not</b> <b>or a dead zone. Or a dead zone. Yeah,</b> <b>that's a great point. Are</b> <b>there beefs between the meme</b> <b>communities like meme? I mean, we can</b> <b>kind of see them from afar. You know, I</b> <b>play, I'm a little bit</b> <b>involved in means but not, you know, to</b> <b>definitely not to your extent</b> <b>or a lot of some people I know,</b> <b>even on our nine on Bitcoin seem they're</b> <b>extremely into memes. But are there is a</b> <b>beast between teams? Or is it mostly</b> <b>beasts between</b> <b>communities? Well, I think, again,</b> <b>what's important is the project itself.</b> <b>And I think that if we're</b> <b>talking about just like human</b> <b>behavior, like, of course, if you are</b> <b>invested in one project, and you see</b> <b>another project doing</b> <b>well, you're motivated to, you know, not</b> <b>be thrilled. But no, I would say that the</b> <b>emphasis in regards to at least the</b> <b>moderating team is just to promote</b> <b>you as much as possible on</b>
<b>the potential that it has.</b> <b>Got it. And can you talk a little bit</b> <b>just about the the locust</b> <b>partnership? What is the,</b> <b>which is for anybody that doesn't know,</b> <b>it's an animation studio that you guys</b> <b>have partnered with.</b> <b>And where does that you know, where does</b> <b>that end up going? Is this</b> <b>like new uncharted territory</b> <b>for meme coin? Or is a mute team the</b> <b>first to be doing something</b> <b>like this? Yeah, well, again,</b> <b>yeah, well, again, to be clear, I am just</b> <b>a telegram mod. And so</b> <b>it's obviously something</b> <b>that's incredibly excited. It's something</b> <b>that is the reason I'm</b> <b>so thrilled about being</b> <b>a part of the telegram moderator team.</b> <b>And I'm not, you know, I</b> <b>think the how vague it is,</b> <b>at least to me is like why I'm so excited</b> <b>about it. Because</b> <b>obviously, it shows well,</b> <b>it conveys a few things. It conveys the</b> <b>fact that there's a</b> <b>competent team behind the project,</b> <b>it conveys that something really awesome</b> <b>is coming. And it also just</b> <b>shows like a level of quality</b> <b>that people who love you are going to be</b> <b>able to enjoy. And so, you know, of</b> <b>course, I would love to</b>
<b>give you any sort of behind the scenes</b> <b>thing. But unfortunately, I</b> <b>don't have that. And it's just</b> <b>that's, that's one of the things I saw,</b> <b>where I said, Oh, shit, you</b> <b>know, this is this is they're</b> <b>not fucking around. Yeah. Yeah. Now it</b> <b>does seem that way. But I</b> <b>hope if the movie does come,</b> <b>we know you roll the red carpet for us in</b> <b>the 99 P. You know, we want</b> <b>all we want popcorn, candy,</b> <b>want everything. Do again, what you're</b> <b>saying about is a meme</b> <b>coin, like, is it too late or</b> <b>whatever? Well, now we're talking about</b> <b>reasons why, you know, you</b> <b>want to be there before stuff</b> <b>like that happens. Yeah, yeah. So there</b> <b>is an element of truth to</b> <b>that quote. Because yeah,</b> <b>there is when things there, you know,</b> <b>probably even meme project</b> <b>as big as mule, there's still</b> <b>places to go. There's just when these</b> <b>unexpected twists and turns</b> <b>come. It's like you, a lot of</b> <b>people will be like, Oh, it's too late,</b> <b>man. Like it 10 X or whatever. Yeah. Then</b> <b>the movie comes out.</b> <b>I still should have got that sentiment</b> <b>for Bitcoin to say, Okay,</b> <b>how can this go any further up?</b> <b>Yeah, it's already done so much. So we</b>
<b>don't know this space is crazy. Yep.</b> <b>Yeah. Only a few more</b> <b>questions left. I am curious what you</b> <b>think about all the the poly fi tokens,</b> <b>like the Trump token,</b> <b>Biden token. Are these are these mean,</b> <b>like, almost like a new</b> <b>evolutionary stage of meme</b> <b>coins? Or do you kind of put them in the</b> <b>political, you know,</b> <b>narratives side? And do you see because</b> <b>I think for a while, people thought</b> <b>social tokens will be big. It would be</b> <b>okay, you know, we're in</b> <b>this Bernard Dow, we're all able to talk.</b> <b>But now it seems like meme</b> <b>points have kind of superseded</b> <b>that for now. So do you think that is</b> <b>something that will continue to see?</b> <b>I would love to be able to give you a</b> <b>confident answer to this question.</b> <b>In regards to at least I have my own</b> <b>convictions and beliefs. But,</b> <b>you know, I think, obviously</b> <b>drawing on other topics we we've already</b> <b>tackled, you see something</b> <b>like that. And you just have to</b> <b>wonder what the what is the ultimate</b> <b>goal? Like, what's that</b> <b>going to look like in two years,</b> <b>three years, right? Like, yeah. And</b> <b>they're fun. And they're</b> <b>funny, for sure. And so here's my</b> <b>thing is I would be like, Yeah, but</b>
<b>where's that gonna go? That being said,</b> <b>you know, people ask</b> <b>that about Shiba people ask that other</b> <b>tokens that I probably</b> <b>held that belief towards. So</b> <b>I do personally hold that belief that,</b> <b>you know, something like that</b> <b>can only do so much because,</b> <b>you know, can you make an animation out</b> <b>of that? Can you do all</b> <b>these different things that</b> <b>obviously I've seen in view? And I think</b> <b>that answer is no. And in</b> <b>that regard, that being said,</b> <b>you know, crypto has a way of proving a</b> <b>lot of people wrong. This</b> <b>is true. And so personally,</b> <b>no, I don't think that that's something</b> <b>that's gonna have like a level of</b> <b>longevity. But but it is</b> <b>very tough to deny the presence and the</b> <b>waves that that things</b> <b>like that are making.</b> <b>And again, even to talk to the fact that</b> <b>I was saying, like,</b> <b>news is being broken on the</b> <b>blockchain. Yeah, obviously, like a</b> <b>thing. And so, you know, I'm very happy</b> <b>to admit that maybe I</b> <b>don't know the answer to that. But I</b> <b>would say that my personal</b> <b>belief is, at least I'm going</b> <b>to go with something that I see has like</b> <b>a potential and a ceiling</b>
<b>that, you know, we don't</b> <b>even know what it is. Yeah, I really like</b> <b>the way you explained it</b> <b>there. And I've never really</b> <b>heard I might even see that from you news</b> <b>being broken on the</b> <b>blockchain, because, you know, we</b> <b>had GameStop, and then probably only a</b> <b>few more minutes after</b> <b>GameStop blew up GameStop token,</b> <b>and that blows up. Trump comes here, and</b> <b>now we have a Trump</b> <b>token and it blows up.</b> <b>Found out Navalny passed away. Yeah,</b> <b>yeah. From looking at new</b> <b>pair. Oh, my god. So crazy.</b> <b>Definitely. So but I just had the moment</b> <b>of realization where</b> <b>I said, holy shit, I'm</b> <b>getting my news from Dex tools. Yeah,</b> <b>Julian Assange just got, you know,</b> <b>cleared and released</b> <b>yesterday. I mean, I found that out</b> <b>through the news, but I could see if I</b> <b>probably was on coin</b> <b>market cap and I saw what coins are</b> <b>trending, I'm sure I could have seen Oh,</b> <b>wow, you know, this is</b> <b>however many some percent while dude,</b> <b>it's actually wild. Yeah,</b> <b>breaking the news is a really</b> <b>interesting term for it. And I wonder how</b> <b>long that continues. And</b> <b>if it just keeps continuing,</b>
<b>because that would be so be insane is</b> <b>probably the most surreal</b> <b>part of the sector. Yeah, it's,</b> <b>it's truly something cool to watch. Last</b> <b>couple questions. What</b> <b>advice would you give someone who</b> <b>is, you know, into meme trading, or maybe</b> <b>they're just getting into</b> <b>it? You know, what to look for?</b> <b>I know there's in this sector is, you</b> <b>know, wild can doesn't even do it</b> <b>justice. It's a truly,</b> <b>you know, a new Wild West experience.</b> <b>What what do you you know,</b> <b>what would you tell someone,</b> <b>you know, to look for to identify to</b> <b>know, okay, hey, because</b> <b>actually seems like, you know,</b> <b>obviously, you're never gonna get it</b> <b>perfect. But you know, what</b> <b>things would you look for?</b> <b>I think you need to see an active team.</b> <b>That's the biggest thing.</b> <b>It's not going to be a guarantee.</b> <b>Nothing will be in this space. But if you</b> <b>are seeing really sparse</b> <b>activity, or like weird</b> <b>behavior from, you know, team members and</b> <b>the telegram or whatever,</b> <b>like seeing something weird</b> <b>on Twitter. To me, that's like a huge red</b> <b>flag. And you also don't</b> <b>want to be misled by the times</b> <b>that that doesn't pan out, because like,</b>
<b>sometimes you do see that</b> <b>and you miss out on something</b> <b>that does really well. But regardless,</b> <b>it's an incredibly good guiding</b> <b>principle. And you're just</b> <b>not going to hit 100% of the stuff like</b> <b>you just not like you need to accept</b> <b>that. Yeah, once you</b> <b>do that, you'll do way better. And so if</b> <b>you take these like core</b> <b>principles, and you continue to</b> <b>use them in practice, then I think,</b> <b>personally, you will benefit.</b> <b>And that's just something that</b> <b>has guided me frequently. And, you know,</b> <b>it's, it's a lot about care.</b> <b>It's a lot about if people are</b> <b>asking or answering questions, it's a lot</b> <b>about if their spam is</b> <b>someone doing something about it,</b> <b>it, you know, to get kind of all these</b> <b>like different things in</b> <b>that regard. Because pretty</b> <b>clear if that's not happening, you know,</b> <b>a lot of other stuff is not</b> <b>happening. So again, you know,</b> <b>I don't want to be too I don't want to</b> <b>try to tell people this is the way to</b> <b>make money or anything</b> <b>like that. But I think that that's a</b> <b>pretty good guiding principle. Yeah, I</b> <b>think that is that it</b> <b>all is a leap of faith at the end of the</b> <b>day. But you can take as many</b>
<b>you know, making an educated</b> <b>leap of faith, where you have a lot more,</b> <b>you know, kind of a warm and fuzzy</b> <b>feeling that you're not</b> <b>getting completely, you know, railed</b> <b>pretty much. Yeah, and to be clear, I</b> <b>will take some time to</b> <b>show you. But that was what I saw from</b> <b>this project is that, you know, you join</b> <b>the telegram, obviously,</b> <b>we all saw it blow up. And I've seen</b> <b>other things blow up and not see what</b> <b>I've seen from the mu</b> <b>team. And so that was really impressive</b> <b>to me. Because obviously,</b> <b>when things shoot up to that</b> <b>market cap, there's any level of spammers</b> <b>or scammers or anything</b> <b>like that. And the moderator</b> <b>team or moderation team, I should say,</b> <b>really showed a level of care and</b> <b>activity that was like,</b> <b>okay, yeah, obviously, there's a lot of</b> <b>bad shit in terms of like what</b> <b>people are trying to do here.</b> <b>But you also see a level of effort from</b> <b>the team in regards to</b> <b>counteracting that. And that's</b> <b>something I found really, really</b> <b>important. Yeah, it's an incredible</b> <b>project. And I think</b> <b>that's a good place to stop is to ask,</b> <b>you know, this last</b> <b>question, where, you know, from just</b>
<b>from your perspective of being a telegram</b> <b>moderator, so close to the</b> <b>new project, where do you where</b> <b>does it seem it's going next? What do you</b> <b>expect for it? What any</b> <b>insights that you can give us</b> <b>that you have? Well, to be honest, I</b> <b>think that's the most exciting part,</b> <b>because there's any level</b> <b>or any number of answers I would be able</b> <b>to give, where you go, okay,</b> <b>could it be animation? Could</b> <b>it be a movie? Could it be, you know,</b> <b>products? Could it be all</b> <b>these different things? And</b> <b>that's what I love about it is that kind</b> <b>of, I wouldn't say vague,</b> <b>because I think that there's</b> <b>kind of like a negative connotation with</b> <b>that word. But what I would</b> <b>say is like, there's this level</b> <b>of what's going to happen next, right?</b> <b>And I believe in it, to</b> <b>that extent, you know, when you</b> <b>join other telegrams, when you join other</b> <b>projects, I think it's very</b> <b>easy to see what the potential</b> <b>would be. It's like, what could this</b> <b>possibly ever do? Like, what could, you</b> <b>know, could they make</b> <b>products? Like, could they do an</b> <b>animation? Like, certain projects? The</b> <b>answer is definitely not.</b> <b>And so I love that potential, you know,</b>
<b>like, I think that obviously</b> <b>there's an element of like,</b> <b>everyone who's in crypto that you want to</b> <b>see, like, what it's going</b> <b>to do, right? And this is</b> <b>very much like, scratches that itch. And</b> <b>so I am personally very</b> <b>excited to see whether it's,</b> <b>you know, going to be the animation,</b> <b>which certain things</b> <b>obviously have been stated for sure.</b> <b>But there are other other things like,</b> <b>you know, who knows what</b> <b>this can be eventually? Like,</b> <b>are we looking at the next Hello Kitty?</b> <b>Are we looking at</b> <b>something that can be that big? And</b> <b>for me, like, that is a very fun and</b> <b>enjoyable element of</b> <b>being a part of the community.</b> <b>Because I think that excitement is a huge</b> <b>part of why we all spend</b> <b>time doing any of this, right?</b> <b>And so I don't know specifically, but I</b> <b>think that that's actually a benefit.</b> <b>Yeah, the ceiling is extremely high. And</b> <b>I was thinking while you</b> <b>said that, that no other team,</b> <b>no other meme coin could pretty much do a</b> <b>movie. And I was like, damn,</b> <b>so we're not going to get a</b> <b>Dogecoin the movie anytime soon. Yeah,</b> <b>I'm thinking probably 10 years.</b> <b>I'm thinking 10 years from now, probably</b>
<b>like the Emoji movie after</b> <b>emojis have been out for,</b> <b>you know, for like probably 100 years.</b> <b>They'll be okay. Now we can</b> <b>finally do a Dogecoin the movie.</b> <b>Here we go. And we don't care about this.</b> <b>We don't want to see this anymore.</b> <b>Yeah, but all right. Yeah, thank you so</b> <b>much, Ali Cat. This has</b> <b>been a great time. You have an</b> <b>awesome username. I use it as the part of</b> <b>the program we say is</b> <b>where to find this person. But,</b> <b>you know, I'm sure if anybody wants to</b> <b>find the project, they can</b> <b>go to the new telegram and</b> <b>they'll pretty best way to interact with</b> <b>you. No one's ever gotten</b> <b>the reference. No one has ever</b> <b>gotten the reference that it's the second</b> <b>stage from Teenage</b> <b>Mutant Ninja Turtles in time.</b> <b>Darn. For the Super Nintendo. I have been</b> <b>waiting. I have been</b> <b>waiting for someone to say that.</b> <b>They'll go now. They'll know that. I'm so</b> <b>mad. I'm so mad. My</b> <b>dad, he was a huge gamer</b> <b>as a kid and he probably would have, he</b> <b>might have been the only one if he was</b> <b>doing this interview.</b> <b>He'd be the only, I think I'm just the</b> <b>only weirdo who</b> <b>listens to that song a bunch.</b>
<b>Yeah, no, this old school beat him up.</b> <b>But yeah, thank you</b> <b>so much for joining us.</b> <b>And yeah, all right. And thank you for</b> <b>having me. No problem.</b> <b>Thanks again. All right.</b> <b>Thanks for watching. You're not on</b> <b>bitcoins. We're the number one hub for</b> <b>crypto education on the</b> <b>internet. So if you liked that video,</b> <b>check out some other ones over here and</b> <b>no more me and coins.</b> <b>We promise.</b>