[Music] [Music] [Music] n [Music] m [Music] [Music] n [Music] f [Music] [Music] good morning hello what's up Stephen good morning crypto cig good morning offshore Miner what's up man BC what's up man getting close to one of my buy oders nice all track good morning John English Tech good morning good morning [Laughter] bro joh English Tech so funny man so I know exactly what you're Frogman oh my BTC 59k yeah bitcoin's dropped quite a bit it's uh I think it's a I think it's a good thing I think it's a good it's a good thing crypto Craig good morning good morning Frogman fire sale Gregory hi hello there's no way I'm going to pass up these low BTC prices I agree I agree offra Miner stacking coins yep stack those coins stack all of it random Miner GP mining is dead hey hey take that back Alexander alexandr what's up good evening from Bulgaria RPM good evening good sir good evening crypto Rich rck I'm going to keep 55k keep playing nice black sales what's up man asex mining is dead got 30 Al Z and can't wait oh my God that's amazing that is amazing I like it I like it I like it okay um so I wanted to let me let me go through my topic real fast okay there's really really big I just I thought I would I would compare because uh the situation we are in right now for mining uh for mining a a leum is that now that there's asex right there's these asex now okay we got the gold shell Al box Al Box 2 uh we got the notorious ice River Al Zer and uh we got the al1 from bitm which is over 30 grand okay so that's um that's that's quite a that's quite a bit that's that's a lot that that is then it reminded me of kadana you guys remember like those like KD Max's uh back in the day uh the KD Max is like $40,000 or I think $50,000 at one point you guys remember that when Caden when CAD went up to its new all-time high and gold shell uh gold shell where were was releasing these things you guys remember those days those are those were fun times and like I think the katd Box sorry the KD the first generation KD box even before that was um let's see I actually have a video about that $6500 April 14th 2022 April 14th 2022 that was that was further down actually that was when yeah alium Al uh kadana mining was just on the tail end April 2022 just just on the tail end and it started going down all right so this is where um also I think the big boy uh when when when did the bitmain ka3 come out the bitmain ka3 I believe was released in here let's see here ka3 September 2022 I know that I know it was announced like a couple like a half a year earlier K3 so that was so September September right this that's when it came out kadana was already Kad kad's price in September was only was already at $146 and I remember I I I clearly remember during those times that the the network hash rate for uh for Caden during these times was also was also just you know it was announced and then everyone was getting them in January okay the k3s the k3s the people were starting to get these during this time and then the hash rate for Kad just obviously started going up and up and up and up up as people started getting those k3s so crazy because bitm came out the gate with their big boy with their big boy minor uh for Cadena no actually no they did not come out of the gate it was gold Shell First in the in the in the actually IB link I hate bringing this up I I really do but you guys remember you guys remember my I my uh Cadena uh millionaire story uh the I link bmk1 I was the first one to get one of these things and that was when kadana was uh that was when kadana was like way down here like a year prior a year year and a half prior where it was like 50 cents or something 33 cents and so similar idea to that is that sure first batch kadana miners when kadana was that low as6 as6 were already coming out for kadana way before the price appreciation happened uh for kadana so there already there were already as6 um for uh for CAD um were they efficient I mean yeah at the time like you know it was great it was great mining Caden because uh the if we go back here okay the hash rate for kadana was like you know it was gpus CPUs when they were beginning and then fpga started coming out um and then uh and then the IB links came out over here right I was the one I got the first IB link I think it was December 2022 that's when I got the first IB link uh bmk1 Plus or whatever and now uh since then in February 2023 that's when Cadena started going up with uh gold shell A6 you all know IB links all that kind of stuff and then died down tapered off and then and then the bit main announcement came about but here we are we got alium here okay so when I showed you that those k3s came out during these times during already like the bit main one came out during already past its price appreciation like the ka3 came out uh September 2022 right so here we are now in the next month with alium we got the big dog bit M okay coming out with their big alifia minor right the 16 ter hash or oh wait they got the okay they got the standard the al1 and then the al1 pro I don't know why they why didn't they just keep the same name al1 and then just do like different uh different hash rate models kind of weird it's not even that big of a not that big not that not that much different actually really the same efficiency al1 Pro al1 like I don't see any I don't see much different I don't see much difference other than and just another Terra has more and like 200 Watts more with the same efficiency so interesting why they call that al1 Pro I don't know I don't know but now we got ice River damn it BC I can damn it BC you're connected to my sheet now we got the AL Zero ice River has come out out of the gate good pricing um it seems like they've always been they've always been like on the side of uh I'm not going to say on the side of the consumer but they've generally been much better pricing than anyone else so that's why like the dollar per gig dollar per gigahash for lithium has been um pretty good and then we got gold shell with their terrible pricing and I mean you all know that the the AL box the first the first Asic for alium came out 4 months ago it was the AL box four months ago okay 4 months ago so that was in April April May June July AUST yeah April that's when I received that first Al box and that was over here okay and uh second week of April that's when the hash rate um also there was an entity that was mining alium as well during these times um it did it did pop prop up here but then a lot of those Al boxes were also being sold I think the first price was like 15K $12,000 and then lo and behold to four three or four months later gold shell pretty much doing is pretty much doing another Caden thank you retro Mike for the $5 thanks for the POS thing retro mic he don't don't don't throw me off here gold shell doing their predatory price things here similar exact same thing that they did with Caden okay exact same situation all right that happened with Caden because obviously the price depreciated and everyone who kept buying the ASX down as the price kept going down their profit their profits went out and then when the k3s came came out and I do remember this when the k3s came out in full force the the the gold shells all the other all the other kadana as6 were rendered useless were R were rendered unprofitable at a decent kilow hour rate so yeah so all the gold shells were just wiped off the face of the Earth for Caden now this is where see the similar because of how much hash weight there was difficulty all that kind of stuff4 super you can see um all the positive things you do for the crypto mining space thank you retro mik thank you again gold shell equals nice heater for winter Lars Hagen you're not wrong you're not wrong the the gold shells are nice for heaters yes yes but in terms of strictly like profitability and like all that kind of stuff it's it's bad right it's bad so the jump from like the gold shell kadana boxes was like you know 74 to 90 uh watt per hash right and then as he went down IB links came out and then bitm comes out with their 19 wat per hash which is four times more efficient than the other kadana boxes so that's why these that's pretty much why all these um all these other models were rendered useless bricks and bitmain obviously you know they manufactured I think we we calculated like like 4,000 of these k3s wait if we can actually do this calculation right now which we can do the similar calculation with the lithium so 99 petahash I'm assuming a lot of these were gold shells that have turned off till now I don't think anyone with k3s has turned off their k3s I don't know anyone that has turned off their k3s so let's just say 694 petahash so from 462 to 6 700 so that's like a good what 350 petahash that's just 350 petahash so uh each of these Ka k3s does what 166 terahash so 166 terahash all right so if I said 350 petahash What's 350 divided by uh 350 petahash divided by 0 166 of a single ka3 Okay so that means there's roughly I did I say 4,000 okay maybe about 2,000 of these k3s are online only realistically maybe 1,500 to 2,000 of these k3s are actually are actually online since uh their release in 2020 uh they were announced sorry I think they were announced September announced September released people were getting them this December January and that's when the hash rate started to just really climb really climb wait sorry this is 2020 wait I'm I looked at the wrong hold on I looked at the wrong area hold on December sorry December 2022 September 2022 was when it was announced oh my God am I looking at this chart wrong hold on hold on hold on hold hold on I looked at this wrong I looked at this all wrong sep member 20202 2022 yes yeah I looked at this I looked at that at the wrong area so it's even more yeah no I was right 4,000 because there was a massive hash rate jump here and then there was another batch of k3s that came out okay I sorry I totally missed okay I remember there was another huge batch of k3s that were manufactured for December 2023 okay it was 2022 September 2022 they were announced and then people were getting them February 5th yes yes yes yes yes there we go there there there we go there we go but anyways I think it still stands from 200 petahash to 500 yeah that's still that would be that would be about 1,500 to 2,000 k3s if I divide that by three I did 300 divid by 66 of a petahash that's about yeah5 to 1,800 of these k3s in the first batch their first batch 1,800 of, 1500 of these let's say realistically including gold shell so500 k3s okay 1500 k3s then the next batch of bitman came out and this looks like it was like 2,000 I think two so I think in total I was right in total there's like 4,000 of these uh ka3 is out on the network right now yeah just that's just I don't know maybe 3 maybe 3,000 I don't know because there's a bunch of other maybe some people have lower electric anyway so correlating that with alium here okay uh so the jump from the gold shell to the bit main a1s is about a 2X it's not really that so it's not like a 4X compared to Gold shell previous Caden to ka3 which is a 4X efficiency uh at leum aium is about a 2X efficiency gain so not too bad but really depends how many of these how many how many is bitm going to manufacture it really really comes down really comes down to how many is bitm going to manufacture all right this is this is where this is the this is the the nail in the coffin here for everyone that going to hash rate.
And man I saw I I saw I'm not going to call I don't want to call out anyone I don't want to call out anyone there was a video and didn't even go through didn't even say like didn't even do the math of like you know 500 or a th000 units he said something like 50 units I'm like are you who bitm would not manufacture just 50 units are you stupid are you kidding me and the the amount of I I just I couldn't believe it and I'm like man anyone who's been spending 30 50 thou 30,000 plus dollars on these a1s I hope to God I hope to God they understand that no bitman is going to make way more than 50 units and I understand he was doing it for the affiliate right if I'll tell you guys right now somebody buys a$ 32,35 th000 Asic from their affiliate from do you know how much commission they're getting hold on let me here I'll do the math right now you know how much you know how much commission they're getting they're getting times uh 03 they're getting ,000 they're getting a $1,000 anyone who buys an Asic through their affiliate they're getting about ,000 from that so understand his side of the his bias there his explan ation and probably bullishness of it I for me we okay I'm not saying alium and Caden are going to be the same thing I I I'm we don't know we don't know but we're we're kind of just going through past history here obviously two different projects uh also two different timelines okay I forgot to mention we're in two different different states of the mark Market okay Bitcoin during this time was also down was going down since its previous 2021 high so we were just going off this Caden's chart was also going with the market in my opinion it was also going down so here we are today um though alium did have its price PR in the in the bear really but like bitm was uh Bitcoin was also going up in a sense but where you know this this in man this ties into like did bitm do some sort of like Underground Market making event with alium uh there were announcements that bitmain was you know they they did uh they did sponsor some hackathon with alium so I mean it it's no joke it's it we all know bitm has been in talks with alium for a very long time and they've been making that Asic uh they've been talking about making this Asic I bet for over a year before before the price pump okay bitmain's already was already working on it with alium since the very beginning already maybe gold shell too because gold shell was the one that came out first with their Al box right 12 Grand 4 months ago right 12 to 15 grand 4 months ago and now 4 months later with the announcement of ice River and the al1 they have come down to $1799 $3,000 $33,000 so have okay my $9,000 al1 have I gotten its money back let's see hold on let me bring it up let's let me bring it up let me bring it up let me go here have I gotten its initial investment back four 1,455 alium has been total mined since since uh what's the first transaction April 15th 4 months ago four uh 4 months and a half now four is that 4 months and a half yeah 4 months and a half1 1455 aium has been mined on this al1 this is first batch Al box first batch Al box how much is that that is $2,369 I have been mining in hot method so has it paid itself off yet after 4 and a half months no it has not has it gotten its initial investment back of about $99,000 at that time um the price at Gold shell there were granted there were resellers who were selling them for 12 there were resellers selling them for 15,000 there were reseller selling them for yeah um I was going off I got the AL box after that okay when they when they priced priced it down so unfortunate okay really unfortunate for people that man which we gave all the risks we all talked about the risks regarding these things uh so like like the only saving grace here the only saving grace here for first batch Al box miners is that alium is going to have price appreciation is is alium going to have price appreciation so this 1455 Al alium I've mined so far what if alium went up to back up to let's just say $3.50 would I break even then let's see that times $350 no $592 would it break even on that $9,000 initial investment nope no alium needs to like forx like times like $8 alium needs to go to like $8 or no maybe $7 1455 * 7 let's just say alium aum's price needs to go to a dollar needs to go to eight uh $7 in order to break even on that Al box okay another thing to uh also consider here the market cap right now for leum is not in the billions it's only in 138 million so to have another 7x 138 million uh market cap aium needs to have under a billion doll market cap to hit that to hit that you know $7 Mark whatever oh no no wait wait wait hold on divided by hold on I did I did math wrong 849 68215 sorry aum's price would be yeah would be $11.3 I don't know why I said 7x I said 7x because if I if we wanted it to 4X three 3x 4X 1.63 * * 4 $6.50 oh that's a 4X okay sorry I did that math wrong so we need to go 3 138 million * 4 basically in order for me to break even on the al1 at $99,000 and the current the current bag I'm holding on this first batch al1 alium needs to go to $552 million market cap can can someone can can someone can someone do that someone just Pump It Up to Pump It Up to 550 5 $552 million Mark is it farfetched to think about that alium could go up that high I don't know honestly I I I I I think I I think it'd be an awesome thing um is it going to I don't know nobody nobody knows no no nobody knows okay nobody knows so okay let's go back let's go back to this I want to do this now I want to do this now okay so this is this is where we get into the projections of hash rate okay on the network and the profitability I man I the people who who buy these things are only looking at the profit numbers of now and they don't look at what the the future holds for the network how many of them are going to come online I really wish that content creator really honed in on that and he didn't he didn't hone in on that until like the end or near the end of the video and like I said it goes back to the commission okay if he sells a 30 to $35,000 alium Miner he gets about ,000 commission from that okay I'm just got to be going to be transparent with you guys on that one okay let's do let's do some let's do some simple math on this now so 16.6 terahash okay 16.6 ter 16.6 terahash how many how many bitmain a1s do you guys think are going to be manufactured first batch how how many a1s do you guys think is going to be is going to be uh manufactured give me give me your guys's let me see in the chat and hit that like oh my God we got 188 people here 57 likes smash the like Bros hit that like I want to see a 100 likes this is a very serious topic cuz I saw I got to be honest with you guys I have I have seen a couple hundred of you guys under a couple hundred of you guys ordered uh through my affiliate uh through my account on Ice River so I can see a bunch of these as6 being bought I I see a lot of Al zeros being bought at least 500 and that's just through my affiliate I can't I can't even I I bet I bet ice River has like 3,000 4,000 of these things oh we can do the math on that later too okay you guys are all saying you guys are all saying a th000 you guys are you guys are saying minimum th000 remember th000 units at their pric at $32 million gross sales uh BC yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah $1,000 okay th000 1,000 units crypto Mel says 1,000 to 1500 or is the norm yeah yeah regularly yeah th th000 okay let's just do a th hey let's let's just do a th000 bit main a1s so let's do the math okay so a 16.6 terahash you know what that's the pro whatever let's just do 16.6 okay so that's 0.0166 of a petahash okay looking at right now the hash rate for leum we're only at 2 2.2 2.2 petahash 2.2 mining King mining King thanks for the five I did not order an alzer with your code Panda mining King I yes you did King I can see you on my I can see all all the orders on my on my account I saw your email it from Tera host King you can't lie to me I know you you I know you used the code red panda I I know you did I saw it I screenshotted it and I sent it to [Laughter] you ah okay anyways 2.2 petahash right now you guys are all saying all of you you guys are saying about a th000 bit main units we've we also did this before I think we were one of the first people who did this math uh in a live stream like a couple weeks ago we already did this already but we're doing it again um so 1,000 units times 0.0166 of a petahash that means if bit main sells okay if if if bitm if bitm sells a thousand donated $499 a thousand of these I did not order an Al with your code Panda uh Steven cisero thank you for the 19 months good sir I think that all the all I think I think that are all produced the question is how many are going to release at at a time uh Stephen so yeah the question is how many are going to be sold yeah to the resellers cuz bit Main's website has the al1 already sold out it says sold out on the website okay so anyways 16.6 petahash for 1,000 bit main a1s that is going to increase the network hash rate by divided by 2.2 which is I'm dividing it by what the hash rate of is of aium now that'll be about 7.5 7.5 times increase 7.5 times okay increase in hash rate so that's 4,000 al1 so in terms of now profitability wise okay if we divided if we divided what 542 $542 divided 7.5 by the time if all of these came online at the same time then and maybe an al1 could make $72 but granted the price of aium is going to be the biggest deciding factor here okay so now crypto CRA I just saw you you said 1,000 Al 1s and 1,000 al1 Pros so okay so let's just say we 2x it so 7.5 * * 2 7.5 * 2 is uh 15 right yeah 15 times times the network hash rate could go up 15 times so 2.2 petahash time 15 that would be 33 petahash on the network so if let's say you said 2,000 you said uh so 2,000 bit main units so 7 uh 15 times so 542 / 15 and anyone can do this math at home then if all these came online 2,000 units it' be about $36 this thing would make $36 a day now the thing the biggest question is what about the AL Box 2 the AL box ones or the K Al zeros well I mean hell 25 divid 15 I mean the AL Box 2 will then make a $166 I mean the what about the AL Zer is the AL Zer on here Al Al Z AL zer $13 a day right now yeah that by the time these come out it is not going to be $ 13 $14 a day I hope everyone realizes that I I hope everyone realizes is not going to be $13 a day divided by 15 86 cents a day let's say Let's do let's do a modest seven let's do a let's do a seven let's do a 13 divided by 7.5 times a173 respectfully uh don't mind me whing says don't forget ice River will come out with those too yeah I you know what we totally forgot to add we totally forgot to add the AL zeros okay so my ice River account has over 300 400 of these sold okay a crap ton of crap ton of you guys have have bought these so if my account has that and I'm thinking other content creators ice server old I'm thinking like there's like a thousand maybe May I'm think maybe there's a thousand of these I think I think there's may maybe there's another thousand Al zeros so let's do the math let's do the math on that let's go to the calculator so uh there these are 400 gigahash Al zeros right 400 gash yeah 400 gash so that's a 0.004 of a petahash okay so if ice R so if we did 1,000 Al Z times 0.4 of a petahash that's a single Al Z AL uh that would be okay a th000 ice River Al zeros would be4 not even a single not even one petahash wow that's actually crazy to think about so ice server would only add point4 of a petahash on the network do you guys think ice server only made a thousand of these Al zeros I think they're I think they made way more I have a I mean they would only add up to 2.
2.7 petahash which really isn't which really isn't a lot honestly they probably made way more than that um greater good mining hello good I bet there will be something similar to ks1 or ks2 for alium ice River I agree I agree is going to be like a ice rer al1 al2 al3 yep yep yep yep Krypto KJ yep yep yeah I agree yeah I I remember I remember talking about that long ago too yeah on Twitter uh looks like not sold out from bit main Stephen oh when I went to their website it did say sold out this morning so maybe it was updated maybe it was updated anyways anyways I think really I would not spend at the end of the day at the end of the day I think buying these Al ons right now for this amount of money it just it just it it just doesn't make sense it just doesn't make sense because when they by the time all of them come out think about how many think about how many they they'll be on right how many will turn on granted another thing is how many Al box On's and Al box 2os um gold shell manufactured as well uh how many of these are going to be turning on as well I don't know I I don't know nobody knows nobody knows but the really the only saving grace here um the only saving grace here is is if aum's price is going to is going to go up more I I just I don't know we really don't know if this this is supposed to go in line with you know the bar Mark uh Bitcoin fouryear cycle which is supposed to be like 2025 right 20121 and then 2025 is the year so for anyone that bought these that's really Our Only Hope insert like the Star Wars meme here Luke your only hope um is that you know bitmain's bitmain's price uh aum's aum's price has to price appreciate considerably to be able to sustain everybody that's mining with these alifia Miners and you know what it could happen right is is a leum like is aium because where we are in the market right now is a leum going to go the way of like uh you know the way of like Caspa A6 or is it going to go the way of kadana A6 I don't know see this is this is the question everyone is thinking and and risking and gambling on essentially risking you know their Investments buying these types of miners right now is that they are trying to get on on first batch that that that's another thing right the first batch Asic minor I mean this is not albox as actually the first batch but because the al1 is going to be such a substantial Network hash rate is going to be a substantial uh hash rate model it's going to it's going to raise the network hash rate considerably okay hold on my kid is screaming and singing oh I got to close my door all right I'm back all right I'm back I to close my door sorry you guys I don't know if you can hear my kids my my kid is screaming ah uh I heard the lock karaoke No not karaoke he's just he likes to sing he's like in music class and stuff so ah terrible okay all right I I think that's it I'm done I don't know what else to explain um it's going to be very risky this is a very risky time very risky time indeed very risky time very risky very risky very risky very risky so anyone here I anyone in the chat anyone buy an al1 has anyone bought an al1 I'm just curious obviously I don't think anyone's in the chat's going to going to come hell anybody hell no negative yeah Stephen go hook up the ubiquity [ __ ] Stephen um I'm waiting for price to have V YT Vance hi can you please explain why buying Caspa is better than buying Caspa A6 uh yeah yes I I can uh every uh yeah like every example I've done so far okay like you know the uh like k3m if I bought if I bought $9,000 worth of Caspa it would have been like 880,000 kaspa and that would have been a better investment instead of a buying a KS 3M for $99,000 in January of 2023 granted I still have the value of the k3m but it it it's the reason why buying Caspa is better than buying the Caspa minor is also that you know against um resale value with Caspa it's such a there there I feel there's just a new model coming out like every couple months new newer efficient model so with k3m uh you know if I you know for that for instance I would have had 80 80,000 Casa if I bought it instead um but you know ks0 Ultra you know these models were all coming out month every month it seems like there's a new model and like and bitmain with their ks5 Pros you know this one's like three times four times more efficient than the k3m so the k3m is going to be phased out in that regard and we don't know how many of the same idea with like we talked about how many is bitmain going to how many of these bitmain ks5 Pros are going to manufacture and then along with that um Mr YT YouTube another reasoning is the kaspa's emission schedule it just it doesn't make it it just makes sense to buy Caspa now at this point in time if you were first batch KS you know uh the first batch miners in the very beginning it it was a good investment um but you know buying the coin at this point in time where where we are with all of these castle miners the castle Network cash rate um all that stuff I I I I truly believe that I think buying the coin is is going to be a better investment now if you believe in uh kaspa's price uh you believe that Caspa will price appreciate in the future uh that's that's just that's it that's the name of the game that's it that that's it that's it unless I mean if you got really low electrical cost and generally low I mean I think you're not going to go wrong either way if you're running it as a business as well if you're running if you're buying miners cast like castle miners and you're running it as a business um like myself you know I can depreciate uh this Hardware right again my income lowers my taxes so there's a lot of benefit there um I'm I'm all I'm always all for I'm always all for um buying mining equipment rather than buying the coin Caspa is actually the first coin I have ever said personally personally all right personally myself I've always been a minor I always like buying hardware and Mining but again because of because of kaspa's aggressive Mission schedule a lot of new Asic minor a lot of new Caspa miners have been coming out um how much hash rate is come is exploding on Casa now and uh I'm not saying I don't believe in Caspa I'm just saying that it's just getting to a point where I think no not I think we did the math already that actually buying Caspa is going to be a better investment vers you'll never get the same yield back as if you were to buy the Caspa versus mining it that that's what I'm trying to say that that's that's what I'm trying to say that's it Caspa is a very very very interesting this time where we where we are in the state of Asic mining for Caspa I would recommend buying Caspa instead now that's that's where I'm that's where my head is at but if you're Renning it as a legit crypto mining business and you're running it as income appreciate your uh expense your electric appreciate the miners there's a lot of benefit there's a lot of benefit in doing that so depends what your strategy is depend what depending what what your uh your financial state is that's that in my opinion that is uh yeah so do you think you get the same yield back with elf hell no h hell no I think where we are right now I it would probably be better to buy a leaf okay 35 ,000 al1 times I no divided by $163 alium you can buy 2,472 alium right now instead of buying an al1 and currently an al1 is mining okay I say currently I I'm going to we're going to divide that by like let's just say that the network uh okay this is the amount I could buy we bring up another calculator so three this thing could mine 303 alium a day if you had it now obviously nobody has it now so I'm going to cut that in like let's cut this let's divide this by seven times so by the time you get this and turn it on when everyone else turns on there you know bit main manufactures a thousand of these um your yield is going to be 43 okay 43 alium a day so let's times that by 30 days that's 1,298 alium in 1 month let's times that by I don't know 12 granted that the hash rate is probably going to climb and difficulty is going to keep climbing so you're you're probably going to get less and less as you go on but let's just say in the in the span of a year you're you're not even you're you're not even going to mine the same amount of alium as if you were to buy alium right now if you spent 35,000 freaking dollars on an al1 right now you could buy 21,000 alium instead rather than mining uh and buying uh mining with an al1 and this is going to go this is going to go down H throughout the year because again the network hash rate difficulty is rising so I'm going to guess this is going to be more so like maybe in a year you're going to mine like 12,000 alium it's just not it's it yeah it's it's man it's just not it's not looking too great that doesn't even add the electrical cost yeah exact MADD K is not wrong you're you got to add the electrical cost yeah yeah you're not wrong you're you're not wrong you're not wrong electrical cost Max voltage says the a one is the mo is the one of the shorter Break Even times for as6 right now most are two years to never uh Max are uh is that yeah but are you is that equating sorry the the hash rate increase is that equating like the hash rate you're you're doing the numbers of of now is that the numbers of now or numbers of later uh numbers of hash rate gain later uh wait hold on I can just do it right now Max and I using your numbers oh oh okay okay okay okay right right yeah I it's going to it's going to it's I don't think it's going to I think the break even time is it's probably going to be like three or four years if everything starts you know climbing as we go along I think uh man it's CRA that's crazy it's crazy with your numbers it's about 18 months not including power okay okay okay so even worse retro mic do people actually have that much conviction in Al just to justify a $335,000 purchase I you know the exact same thing was said with kadana remember you remember the 35 $40,000 KD Max you guys remember the $40,000 KD Max at one point this thing was4 Grand you know the man crazy times I am not I'm not saying alium is going to go is going to do bad okay I hope it does good I'm just I think it's good for us to it's just good for us to you know look back in you know how predatory these companies are in selling these as6 you know they have an agenda right that there's a reason why they sell these at these prices and they're the little Timmy as DJ would say the little Timmy somebody that doesn't understand that you know there's things to consider how many of these are going to be manufactured how much is the network hash rate going to raise what's the network difficulty going to be what's the price of of the coin going to be how many people are going to be mining and holding how many people are going to be mining and selling you know is the coin going to be able to sustain all that hash rate and you know potential sell pressure you know all these risks all these things all these variables the little Timmy has absolutely no idea the little Timmy has no idea regarding all these things all the all the variables that come with with crypto mining all the risks it's it's that's the term all the little risks that are involved with crypto mining this is extremely extremely risky it's it's very it's very risky it could do it it could do well or it could do very bad I I don't know okay but we can make our we can make our guess we can make our like educated guess in like predicting how much nwork a hash rate could be could be coming on um I guess price prediction is a whole other thing I looking at this this just looks like the Cadena chart to me looks like a but then again it could just it could just it could it could go up from here I don't know I I really don't know I I really I really don't know retro mic Al has multiple chains will bitm work on the other chains or just one probably just one probably just one cuz the AL box one the al1 only winds on the first chain apparently so I I don't know I I I I that's why some of the mining pools have issues trying to support the AL boxes or al2s even someone has to be exit liquidity and that's unfortunately that's us that's that's the people who buy these machines that's that's us you know I you know bitmain they're in China there we there's no there's no regulations over there there's no um there's no jurisdiction where any of us could see what they're doing over there under the table like they have many reports of bitm having Underground you know underground pump and dump groups you know to do these types of things or like long rug long rug long rugging of a coin and selling the A6 in order to legitimately get you know Fiat okay at the same time they're mining with these machines and or other machines that they have in order to do Market making okay there there's a lot of exchanges that are unregulated that are obviously in China or Hong Kong whatever and a lot of these can accept money from bitm I'm assuming I no it's a fact a lot of these a lot of these exchanges are probably are in with bitm all right bitm is in all right they're in they're spending they're they're they're forwarding millions of dollars to do Market making and I'm not saying that's happening with a leum but I mean it's it's coinciding it's correlating quite quite well here I I I I don't know it it it's it's looking pretty it's looking pretty correlated in that regard I I I'm just I'm just spreading fun I don't know I'm just kidding who knows okay we we have absolutely no idea but I've heard of these Underground groups that do these types of things and we have absolutely no no idea no jurisdiction of it we North Americans North America are the ones that are providing the legit income the legit Fiat to these companies that are overseas and they for for all we know they again they could have easy access to pumping these coins Market making events of let's say alium or another ASA what's the next ASA coin what what's the next Asic coin that's going to get pumped what what do you guys think is it going to be is it going to be is it going to be radiant are we are we going to be next is it is radiant going to be the next one I mean it's not going to take much to pump this coin I mean $10 million market cap I mean a million dollar a million Doll Market making event this thing would would go to like $100 million so yeah did yeah watch watch it's going to happen watch it happen watch watch greater good mining we are all timmies to them it's true and anything that goes on over there in China we have absolutely no idea no jurisdiction at all this is a all is a very W it's the Wild Wild West man everything that's playing out here I mean it's it's it's feeling it's feeling like that again and I hope anyone that purchased this thing understands the risks I I really hope people understand the risks of these things at that that's all I care about that's all that's all I care about that that's what I try to portray all the time with Asic mining it's a very risky Endeavor it is very risky sometimes there's good plays sometimes there is bad plays is a leum am I saying the bit main L one or Al zero is a bad Play No but I'm just I just want to give the risks I just want want people to understand that this is something where you're spending this type of money you're spending this investment and you're hoping to get a return I mean you're not the only one you're you're not the only one wanting to get a $32,000 return I mean like $32,000 like imagine each person buying one of those and you're looking at like aum's market cap $135 million market cap I mean like what's the like you think of the cell pressure or you think of the cell pressure that people people buying these things you know they want to get their return on investment but like at the same time when they do that it's going to drastically you know depending on each person's situation are they going to mine and hold are they going to sell every day see that that's a variable you you have absolutely no idea right and that that's going to affect that's going to affect the outcome of really the aum's price and like sustainability you know all all these things it's it's it's man it's going to be it's going to be it's going to be crazy viz good morning good sir hello good sir good sir hello altcoins bleeding again yeah no doubt no doubt Market's tanking it's going down it's going down with Bitcoin are you going to be making mining Al video with the alzero since we won't be able to mine directly to tangum uh Biz yeah so yeah the tangum does not support uh alif they have the erc20 alium but not the native not the native yeah if you got 32,000 just buy crypto trade yeah yeah yeah we did the math already yeah I think buying I think buying a leum would be a better better choice at this point but who knows honestly who knows nobody knows we honestly have no idea honestly if we're I mean if everything goes in line with the uh 2025 being the you know the fourth Bitcoin cycle year I mean in theory that should really be the year everything goes up so um in that case the al1 the AL Z's could be a good buy but in my opinion uh Mining and holding is would be the better play Mining and holding uh is the best mining strategy not mining and selling every day because we've done those examples many times okay questions let's do it questions and concerns and then I got to go Bros thank you for the stream thank you for the likes 216 people here 90 likes smash the like thank you for today's video sponsor myself if you go to my website Red pandam mining.com If you're looking for any coupon codes for anything tangum uh Brandon coins PC shop oh you guys should go look at his his his website by the way hold on let me let me put this in let's see what he's got for sale let's see let's see oh yeah he's got 6700 XT 12 GB for 338 Canadian oh on let me change this to uh for for you American people I like looking at I I I've I've been so used to American pricing now second gen Intel and I5 2500k for 65 bucks oh interesting 6600 XT 179 ooh [Music] ooh Brandon coins got some nice stuff over here very nice um uh you people retro mic and angles hi thank you for the five good sir will Ledger stack support the coin and do you think the network they are using example ERG erc20 no no no alium is not using erc20 that's that's that's I think they were on erc20 before but then they moved off to their own native Native Network I through Super Chat will theer stack support the coin do you know what you mean you travels travels did you ever give away those KS zeros uh I actually gave them away to my friends my IRL friends not the ks Z Pros but that you're talking about the ks zeros like the first like the first iteration KS zeros yeah I I I gave them I I gave two of them to my friends um Stephen I just spent four days in Canada Beer was cheap oh yeah yeah beer is generally cheap here um Kaiser red pen of mine here's the real deal how many people are actually interested in the coin compared to those interested in just fat uh I'm going to say couple % maybe not even not even a single percent of people are actually actually interested in the coin 99% of miners are interested in the in the dollar value let's let's be real here let's let's be honest here I mean here let me just put it in the chat here let me make a poll I mean this will do you care about the coin or the price instead the coin the price all right there's two options I want to see what you guys pretty sure 99% is going to be the price I people who say the coin they're lying to themselves total Liars completely lying to themselves everyone's doing this for money the the whole fundamental idea the whole fundamental idea of crypto and everything I know it's meant to be supposed to decentralize It's supposed to fundamentally you know beat the system I I understand that I I I wholeheartedly love that I wholeheartedly agree but in our lifetime I don't think we're ever going to we're not we're not going to get to that point because Bitcoin now is now Bitcoin is so is is main it's getting it's it's like mainstream you know it's getting to that point where everything is financially tied to it and money is really the like for for a lot of people like their their end all Beall really home bre crypto I answered incorrectly yes I care about the price I thought you meant profitability oh well both I both I guess I mean Iowa crypto mining RPM l in Canada for the Nugget price we all know that dude 20 nuggets is like 20 like a dollar Canadian each I'm not even kidding it's expensive nuggets are not cheap nuggets are not cheap um number go up number go up yep that's right number go up how many people own stock are interested in the company Vinnie delgreco um that's a good question I own some some stock I own some Tesla stock am I interested in the company yeah I am but more so am I interested in the value going up on the stock 100% 100% so I guess this it goes hand in hand it it's really both the coin and the price like you care about both I think I it's not like saying that someone's a hypocrite or not but like it's like I care about Tech but honestly underlying you you you care about you care about the money as well Panda give your enemies KS zeros Yousef puts I I'm I'm uh I'm actually uh uh potentially I'm I'm in talk I'm trying to talk with BP to see if he's willing to do another 10 KS Z Ultras or maybe 10 K maybe 10 Al maybe 10 Z AL zeros I can give away 10 Al zeros uh I'm in talk with BP right now so waiting for his response so we'll see we'll see um what's up everyone F Craig ciso whoever else for Iowa what's up VIN D Greer absolutely some how are we supposed to be altruistic altruistic in crypto space Vinnie Del Greco it's hard it's it's hard man I you know that's something I've been I've I've always I've always had struggles I've had a lot of struggles with you know you know I I I've always in the beginning when I I started my journey I've I've always been you know all about you know crypto and the fundamentals and de centralization and being self govern and uh you know obviously being you know self your own self custodian to you know your crypto private Keys you know Cold Storage um all the all the things that that make crypto have its freedom essentially and getting away from Big Banks big you know tied to the typical the monetary system that we are in now which is horrible trying to break free from the monetary system that we are in now you know I'm all for it honestly I'm I'm all for it um but again I've had a hard time uh you know really kind of like distinguishing that from we're doing this to make money but at the end of the day it's like we're we're trying to do this to make money majority of people here are doing this to make are doing this to make money and I've had a hard time to like a hard time really kind of distinguishing those two things and I what you mean you know being you know selfless and all this you know and trying to trying to trying to explain doing crypto Mining and trying to help people in that regard but money making money and trying to help people do that in a way is already is I don't know I again this is such a hard this is such a hard thing to this is such a hard thing to you know be that way altruistic I I I it's it's hard it's it's it's something I've struggled with every time you know you you guys you have you have guys like where's retro is retro mik here you you have like you have people like retro mic you know retro Mike he's all in he's all in he's all about crypto he's all about crypto the fundamentals the coin he doesn't care about the price but then you got 99% of everyone else who just you know care about cares about the money part so there's going to be people who are going to be really you know for it and people who are for it but don't really care for it as much or just mainly want to make money so it's it's hard it it's a hard thing it's it's a hard thing I've struggled with I've tried to do I've I've tried to do one or the other and it's it's hard I've tried to do the the selfless one which is obviously being more you know fundamentals being more about the fundamentals being more about the coin and not so much about the the price but it's hard it's it's it's it's truly hard I've tried I I've tried honestly but it's it's it's it's too hard VC there's nothing wrong with wanting to make money I I agree there's nothing wrong about that there's nothing wrong um Alpha mine honestly people making money will foster adoption we need Mass adoption Alpha mine you're yeah you're correct you're correct man again everyone wants to make money it's tied to to to to their financials like yeah I mean that that's a great way to really foster adoption yeah you're not wrong you're not wrong there you're not wrong BC I'm not fooling myself about being altruistic I would I would just be lying to myself and exactly BC that's that's what I was that's what I was having a hard time with you know it's like sure I can be all I can be all Savant and you know you know we're not doing this for the money we're doing it for the good of the ecosystem we're doing it for crypto we're doing it for the freedom against the big Banks we're doing it for uh decentralization we're trying to get go against the existing monetary policy we are right now we're trying to you know be free from all that we're trying to step away from the governments you know I could I could do I could be like that every street I could do that all the time but I'd be lying to myself saying that I'm also trying to I'm really at the end of the day I got to feed family you know I got to pay bills I got to live I need to make I need to make money it at the end of the day I need to make money so it's like you said BC yeah you're not fooling myself yeah it's it's true I just be lying to it's true and like I think I talked about it before a couple months back I was like I had a video or live stream we talking about being like it's kind of like being HP being a hypocrite in a way because it's like you know you you support everything you support the coin you don't care about its price but at the end of the day like you know it's like you want to make money as well Kaiser I'm happy to hear the truth Kaiser you knew the truth in the very beginning you bastard great good mining red pen mining it's difficult because crypto is so volatile you want to help people but to make it you have to take risk it's hard to guide people in such a risky Endeavor yeah great greater good mining 100% 100% that yeah no for sure man for sure imagine living in vene what did retro mic say I'm adequate at such red P want to make more money Source me sqrl acorns as many as you can I'll pay in Fiat terrible horrible horrible okay that's it I is that it for the stream I don't is there anything else you guys want to talk about otherwise I think I think we're done I think that's it is there anything else is there anything else you guys want to talk about otherwise um keep on keeping on we're we're we're staying the course we're still mining we're still doing everything we're still expanding we're still diversifying uh yeah I'm diversifying every I'm trying to uh I'm trying to build up the GPU Farm again I don't know if you guys saw that video but I did I did buy I did get a bunch of these uh pcps with the 470s H I don't know if this this is not I don't I don't know we'll see we'll see taking a risk taking a $329 risk man he just gets so much hardware for 330 I I just I couldn't pass it up I'm like you get the power supplies the ram hard drives 12 470s I'm like all right I'm doing it you know cuz bull run these were like you buy all this in the bull run it was like like seven eight grand 10 grand probably for all of it but that's what that was with ethereum so we'll see BC 500 gpus yeah I have over I didn't count exactly but I think I have over 600 GP pus now and like half of them are just sitting I I I I don't know why I keep buying gpus I need to stop I have't I have an addiction okay I have I have a massive addiction a pirate how old is Polaris by now like Polaris is like 8 years old 9 years old I don't know super old man I love the Asic Miner by Avalon hardcore gamer uh yeah you like your little you like that one yeah me too man Steven good luck fitting 3070 is in those Steven I don't plan on putting 307s in them unless they're blowers and two slotted yeah but yeah I yeah the big aib cards will not fit in this the big aib like gaming cards you can only do six you're you can't do 12 you're you're going to have to split them in the six Shaker addiction no not you Krypto Craig 474s are tanks they are they're definitely tanks definitely uh Panda has a sickness ping don't patronize me King don't patronize my my buying habits wow that car just exploded holy oh that was the exhaust okay uh all right Stevens even EVGA won't oh Steven wow yeah because it's too tall probably toxic Miner you can do seven the first two slots have a bigger Gap yeah that's right that's right Metro Mike my 370 turbos are the longest 370s made ah yeah that's why then you have to put the fan you got to move the fans uh to the front yeah you might have to move the fans outside for the for the length uh Max BTC is currently at 59k oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah okay all right Bros I'll see you all another time a2000s with PSU all track yeah uh honestly I'm I'm looking for um uh uh if if someone could sell me um like 6600 XTS or 6600s like I would love to buy like 120 of them but not at like I want to buy them in bulk pricing you know I I I I would love to have like a crap ton of 6600 XTS or 6600s or something that would that would be that' be sick that' be sick oh okay okay guys I have to go now I have to go you guys have a great day thank you for the fun smash the like on the way out you guys have a great day BC if you find a sourcer bulk price please pass along okay BC well I I might buy it I might buy them all okay so I I I I don't want to I don't want to share I'm I'm not I'm not going to I'm not I'm not going to share all right goodbye peace out you guys have a great day thanks so much have a great one I'll see you tomorrow goodbye goodbye [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] yeah yeah [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]
