So 2033 I would say the top could be Somewhere in the 10 to really $100 Million range per Bitcoin I see you know The next decade as being this giant Giant adoption curve of Bitcoin medium To large scale countries will be Adopting Bitcoin in the next 10 years as Legal tender people are excited like uh It's going to be big it's going to be Big so everybody welcome back to the 99b Where we try to make uh sense of this Crazy crypto world and today we have With us Brandon green Brandon is the Chief of staff of the 2024 Bitcoin Conference at Nashville he's a Nashville Oh excuse me a Tennessee native himself And he has pretty much been in the Crypto industry since his first job out Of college and out of anybody else I Know he might have most insane cool Crazy crypto or Bitcoin predictions on The planet so Brandon welcome to the Show thank you for having me that's That's a good intro yeah dude uh you Know I I try and be the most bullish Person that anyone gets as a guest it's Not easy uh but but you know I can Certainly go out there in terms of my Predictions yeah we're going to have to Jump into that because I've seen people Blow up virally where people are like oh My God this guy has even more insane Predictions than Kathy would but I love It yeah no I mean you know someone's got
To push Kathy for the biggest bull uh Might as well be me I love it but yeah So this year's Bitcoin conference is Shifting from Miami to Nashville um um And I love I think the reasons I've read Up uh for you why is uh Miami is place To be seen Nashville is a place to to Have fun pretty much and uh I kind of I've been in uh in Miami I could say That for sure but the crazier news is You guys are having Donald Trump uh Coming to the conference and I thought That we can't really lead any other way With starting with trump it kind of Reminds me was actually a consensus uh This year and uh RFK Jr was speaking the Night that um Trump was convicted for His felonies so you know what was your Immediate reaction to the Trump where Were you what what did you Think uh to when we confirmed him or Like when my bad what where were you Actually let's bring it to like the most Immediate news where were you when Trump Got uh you know shot in his ear and what Were you thinking oh my God this guy be In our conference anymore oh my god dude Yes I was I was on the couch uh sitting With my fiance uh we saw that something Had happened and like uh pulled up I was On Twitter of course and uh I like saw a Video of him like just getting shot and Going down uh and that was it like that Was all that was in the video you know
It was in immediate aftermath and my Heart sunk through my stomach like I Started Panic like I was like what just Happened uh and then you know the next Video I saw was like him getting back up And I was like ah thank God uh yeah no Like uh it almost feels like wrong to Talk about like the the fact that we Somehow even have any sort of Consideration around that but we do like He was supposed to speak at our event Less than 14 days after that incident uh And and so you know our internal Cals Were just blowing up everyone was you Know freaking out to put it mildly um And you know we truly went into that Evening not knowing what was going to Like we didn't know uh whether he was Still going to speak we didn't know how Badly injured he was you know we didn't We didn't really know anything um and so We were just kind of sitting on our Hands we certainly weren't going to Reach out to them that night be like hey What does this mean for the Bitcoin you Know like I they got more important Things to worry about so um yeah but but You know we uh we kind of came up with a Few different game plans based on Whatever we were to hear uh uh you know In the following days and fortunately The next morning we got a word from his Team that uh he was very excited to Speak in Nashville and we were full
Steam ahead so uh pretty pretty insane I Mean pretty incredible of uh uh you know Just the the sense of bravery and and You know the the willingness to kind of Just go straight back out there and um I Mean what a historic moment for the the World really yeah that's a great point And to be honest do you think I I I hate To jumped so politically into this but Only because the this news just broke or This happened um do you think this Changes Trump in any kind of way I've Heard people say oh my God this is is Enlightened kind of stage and to even Make matters you know not as comedic it Is crazy to think an inch away we could Be seeing an American flag on a casket And there would be I don't I mean that Would probably dampen Bitcoin conference Completely totally I don't even know how Yeah it's like it would be what could You do yeah no I think it definitely Would have put a dver uh Yeah uh yeah you know the uh Uh my prediction on uh what this means Kind of politically you know it was Interesting like you've already seen Trump take a much more moderate uh Approach to this year's campaign talking Points let's say the way he presents Himself like he's much more mild uh and So you know I think he was already Seeing the opportunity to kind of like Go to the middle and just pull from as
Many constituencies as possible but Certainly now that uh uh he kind of gets To be seen as the uniter Um it seems like he has an Insurmountable amount of Tailwind to his Campaign at this point uh and you know I I very much expect that we'll we'll see A a pretty drastic outcome in in November because of it so I think I Think he was probably gonna win Regardless but but certainly now it Seems like it's it's all but a foregone Conclusion yeah I would say the same um And that definitely brings us to his VP Pick now who a lot of people are saying No this really means he's confident you Know we don't need to do no no diversity Pi he like let me just get a guy who Thinks like I think um I read JD Vance's Book a long time ago hillbill El it's Amazing um what do you think of JD Vance And Trump for Crypto yeah well so I mean uh uh the the Obvious talking point is like JD Vance Owns Bitcoin he's always kind of been on The record as pretty Pro crypto uh you Know he's a Peter teal uh uh alite or Acolyte yeah the Star Wars show yeah Exactly yeah I don't think he would be On that show but Uh like No so so you know the like we've been Talking to him we we've actually been Talking to him for weeks uh and
Everything like went on pause let's say Over the past week uh where we were we Were you know planning to to have him as Part of the event we'll see if still Comes you know once you become VP uh Your travel schedule becomes whatever uh Your your presidential candidate tells You it is so you know we'll wait and see Whether uh they want JD to come to the Bitcoin conference but he was already Interested in coming to the Bitcoin Conference before he was the VP pick so Uh uh we we might see him there and and I do think it's great for crypto I think It's great for Bitcoin um that that he's The VP and uh you know if if he is the Let's say quote unquote air apparent to The the Trump sort of uh uh style then Uh that is a very Pro Bitcoin air Appearent and and I think it's it's Bullish Tailwinds for for our industry For sure yeah no I couldn't agree more And it's a really cool because when we We say diversity be mostly forced it's Like the same way the Star Wars it's Like okay get get get the best person For the job if they're black white asian Whatever so this guy thinks very much Like him I know people give him crap for For Uh hating on him but I think a lot of us Were shocked in 2016 when Trump was was Won the election so yeah dude I I think It's a very different constituent that's
Voting for Trump in this election like Don't get me wrong uh I'm sure like his Base is is there and will always be There but he's pulling from places that He did not pull from in 2020 or 2020 uh 2016 so I expect you know I expect a lot There and and what I also say though Is you know JD Vance was my uh you know Odds on favorite to be VP candidate just Because Um if you look at what he did with Pence You know the number one base that he Wanted to shore up was the the white Evangelical vote right it was the uh uh I can't say where I heard this except to Say that um it's hard to rely on white Evangelicals to to show up at the polls Unless you uh signal really strongly With them and so you know the the Hillbilly igy sort of side of him very Much makes me think that that's where Trump was pulling from that's what Trump Wanted to optimize for with his VP pick It's why I thought JD Vance was kind of The shoe in from the start it was Another Pence it was you know someone Who could carry that same same Group yeah yeah that's a great Point um I think a lot of people were thinking Viac another guy kind of like him um but I think JD is a very solid pick I was Surprised to to see it unlike you but I Was like wow I can't believe JD uh came In the the last political question I
Have um do you think you have so many Political guests at at the Bitcoin Conference this year vac uh RFK Jr um Political journalists like Whitney Webb Um who when do you think Democrats begin To start you know EMB bracing crypto and Embracing Bitcoin it seems like Something that should have already Happened if we're thinking you know 30 Years Democrats but um Democrats today Are very anti- anti- crypto even though Biden accepts them so what do you think You know uh uh without showing all of Our cards I would say that that's a Conversation that we're trying to Optimize around for the event uh uh you Know we don't want to see Bitcoin become A partisan issue and uh uh you know We're trying to figure out ways that our Event can help with that um we're Talking to some folks on on that side of The aisle who might make an appearance You know we don't have it locked in yet Although we've got it kind of soft Confirmed um you know probably the the People who you would expect uh from the Democratic party uh that are pro Bitcoin And um we're also kind of crafting Conversations with some of the uh Candidates who are running on a pro Bitcoin versus an anti- Bitcoin you know Uh uh uh Incumbent the incumbent is anti Bitcoin They Pro Bitcoin as as a way to push
Them that's fascinating and uh uh yeah It's it's very fascinating and it's very Fascinating because uh some of the People who uh let's just take Elizabeth Warren all right uh that's an easy one Elizabeth Warren no stranger to being Anti- crypto anti- Bitcoin um she the Reason she has so much leverage and Influence in the Democratic party is Because she is a net fundraiser all Right she pulls in money to fund her Campaign that money goes to the the DNC Coffers and then is used on other races Right so so you like she's she is a net Positive to their coffers this year she May be a net Negative they may have to Spend more on her race than money that She brings in and that changes the power Dynamic in the party uh even if she Doesn't lose just the fact that she's Now a net pull on their resources makes Her a much less popular person in the Democratic party uh when it comes time To deciding what issues they're willing To Champion and which ones they're Willing to soften on so uh very very Cool things that are in the works there Where you know we might see even if you Don't see the drastic changes in the the Composition of the democratic party you Might see a very different uh power Structure of the democratic party that's That's setting kind of the the Priorities because of how uh much damage
Can be done to the party around being so Anti- crypto anti- Bitcoin yes wow That's incredible Point um and I think You can't really even have the Biden Campaign accepting crypto donations and Not have this divide already there so It's it's inherent um but let's get into The fun topics now since uh everybody's Probably every some of the people are Happy the the wine drinkers are happy we Got into all that but Let's do let's do Some of the fun topics and uh let's jump Into Bitcoin and price action and um I Think one thing I've you're very popular For is your your bitcoin price Predictions but instead of that um I'm Thinking what you know what amount of Bitcoin do you think um somebody needs To hold to um maybe even just become a Millionaire or maybe just become someone Who's you know a lot wealthier than than They were before um how much Bitcoin do You think that is uh on what time Horizon um let's go to 20 so for some Reason everybody likes the number 2030 20130 I don't know why it just seems Like a singularity event is happening Then but let's go to 2030 yeah so so you know the the Moon Math that I tend to do in order to you Know make my my bold predictions are uh Around a fouryear cycle where you 100x From the bottom now uh you know we Haven't seen that happen in this past
Cycle the the 2021 kind of bull market Uh but we saw it in the 2017 bull market And we saw it in the 2013 bull market uh And so you could on the one hand say uh Well it's not a trend because it didn't Happen last cycle or you could look at Last cycle and be like yeah that that Was kind of up like you had FTX You had all this credited lending you Had this massive overhang uh you had China Banning Bitcoin you had Elon Coming out Pro and then against it in The middle of the bull market you know There was a lot of things that uh that Happened that first of all can never Happen again like FTX gone Elon already Out on bitcoin China already banned Bitcoin you know like it's it's not like You can have that kind of uh pop up This cycle so uh uh that's that's on the The one kind of hand and then you know Uh so if you were GNA say all right Maybe the the pattern continues this Cycle and we get back to the 100x from The bottom well the bottom in in November was 15,000 let's say so that's November of 2022 so a 100x from that Would be 1.5 million um at the top like The blowoff top of this cycle uh let's Just temper it a little bit and let's Just say 1 million right uh as as the Rough blowoff Top that would happen in 2025 and then uh uh we would have Another blowoff top potentially in 2029
So we'll call that 2030 And so let's say you have a 80% draw Down from 1 mil that's roughly 200k as The bottom so then 100x from that would Be around uh 20 mil uh market cap so or A price sorry so let's say 20 mil is the Bitcoin price in uh 20 29 2030 that means that if you own a Bitcoin you're certainly well off but Even if you owned 0.5 Bitcoin uh you Might have like roughly a million Dollars that would be nuts but and I you Know this is my my kind of caveat with All of that is I think that we're in for Uh shaky times with the US dollar I Think we're far from you know I don't Think inflation's just gone away and That's mostly spurred now from a Unsustainable debt crisis that we have Um and so You know like I I I'm not going to talk The talking points better than other People but roughly a third of our budget Now is is just paying interest on our Debt and the yeah from like a national Budget perspective it's the largest line Item now it's larger than military so uh That's something that people in Government don't like they don't like Having to pay debt uh pay interest on Debt as like their biggest thing that They're paying and there's two ways to Get out of that number one would be Massive economic growth uh and the other
One would be massive devaluing of the Currency and uh you know I have a gut Feeling that it's going to be the ladder That we end up seeing um and so you know The purchasing power of a million Dollars is going to be a lot less than It was even now so that's kind of my my Bold prediction on on what I'm going to See over the next like five years and uh Uh I'm glad I'm in Bitcoin as all I can Say because it's going to be pretty Chaotic yeah there's so much to to talk About there but I think one main point That interests me is um so do we see Then a great reset of the financial System uh which you know anybody World Economic form take with that whatever You want or do we see Bitcoin engulf so Many other assets and we like do we lose Other I'm sure gold will always be Around but um do you see then a a an Economy where we have lost a lot of Other things and new AI cryptos Everywhere I mean what do you see then In that future I'll take kind of the Optimistic view so so you know Larry fin Went on uh uh CNBC yesterday or two days Ago and said like Bitcoin is kind of for People who take a a cautionary or Pessimistic view of the world and they Want to hedge uh I actually would would Disagree and to your point like you know If you're cautious if you're you're not Sure that like the future of the world
Is good I would not be investing in Bitcoin like you know Bitcoin is is Building a much better future for the World if if you're wanting to hedge Everything that's happening uh uh in a In a negative way like I would look at Bullets and gold and you know some of The things that are going to be Bartered In in kind of a society like that uh Where you're not relying on like an Internet connection to be available to The entire world uh Bitcoin has a much Like brighter future but you know I Guess the the tumult the the turmoil That we have to work through is that uh Fiat currency is not long for this world Like you know uh I don't think any fiat Currency is lasted more than a 100 years Or 150 years something like that uh and We're about what 1971 we're about 50 Something years Into uh the US dollar Fiat currency and The US dollar fiat currency will be the Last one to go so every other currency Will collapse first and dollar milkshake Theory dollar milkshake exactly and and So it's one of those things where it's Like you know we're on the back half of Let's say the the lifespan of the US Dollar if we're lucky you know you know If it's another hundred-year plus kind Of currency which it very well may not Be it's our only export for the United States our cheap export is the US dollar
Like it's it's not a sustainable Situation let's just say But it doesn't mean you have to have Total Global collapse in order for you Know uh Bitcoin to kind of be that Transition it just means that uh uh the Bitcoin price has to pump and if the Bitcoin price pumps it's because money Is flowing into it and people are Flowing out of the failing systems and Uh and so it could be you know the the Colloquial gradually then suddenly kind Of situation where you know uh one day We just kind of see this massive spike In Bitcoin purchases uh coinciding with You know a massive collapse in in the US Dollar uh And you kind of wake up one day and it Like the entire system flipped on its Head so that's that's what I think is Going to happen uh as crazy as that Sounds and uh you know of course you'll See similar appreciation in things like Stocks and and uh you know Commodities And all sorts of stuff um but Bitcoin Will just have an outsized appreciation Sure yeah that makes a lot of sense Um it doesn't make a lot of sense but But like I think it's it it makes sense From your worldview my only push back is And I always hear this against other Bitcoiners um from people outside they Always say um well in that case then not That that it's all lining up perfectly
For in our own worldviews but um it Still sounds like will the will does US Dollar have any chance chance of Collapsing people usually say like will They you know with the military power Backing it um so it makes sense from Your worldview but do you think there Has you know will some other currency Some cbdc or another digital currency Usurp that and we will be saved um only It almost leads into my what next Question I want to ask you is where do We get adoption from here because people Definitely love the safest easiest route Bitcoin is you see a lot of smart smart Area di people at the conferences um but Not saying that people people like that But how do we get this to people that Don't pay attention as much Essentially yeah so uh uh let me answer Kind of like the first thing you said And then I'll answer that question what I would say is something to to watch for The the mechanism by which I think we'll See kind of some of this play out is That uh uh our financial system is built For like a 95% confidence interval and It's the 5% tail risk that we have like No contingency plans for and that always Where catastrophic failure comes from And so you know my guesstimate is that Uh kind of to go to your second question Uh adoption is going to continue in an Institutional realm uh uh far and away
Faster than it does from a uh uh Grassroots sense like over the next Cycle I would say like you know sure There's going to be tons more grassroot Adoption grandma's going to own it in Her uh uh you know ETF kind of thing Yeah but uh but it's the ETF that is the Institutional adoption you know it's It's the ETF companies that are holding That Bitcoin so you know they're just Building Financial products around it so You know what what I kind of see Happening is you're going to see an Amount of Leverage built up in the System that is balanced you know it's Like you're going to be overwhelmingly Long overwhelmingly short you know Caught off sides in the sense that like We were in the FTX sah um but you could See tens of billions of dollars in short Interest uh against Bitcoin that uh uh there is no Contingency plan if that blows Up uh and and that's where I see kind of The the transition happening and it'll Happen really quickly we wake up one Morning and Bitcoin will have pumped you Know 10% and that'll cause like one of these Shorters to have to go cover and to Cover they're going to have to sell Something in the stock market sell Treasuries in order to buy more Bitcoin Which is going to pump the price even
You know and and it's it's going to Create a cycle and the next thing you Know we're just like Off to the Races And uh and in order to cover that Collateral uh uh in order to cover that Short interest it will cause some of the Most pristine thought about collateral To get sold into the dirt um and and so So goes the whole system wow um you Saided earlier um that we we flushed out The ftxs and all the black swans let's Say do you think that we were more Likely to see a 100K Bitcoin first or a 50k Bitcoin and why do you think that 100K we we've seen our little uh flirt Flirtation with the downside pressure a Little selloff like uh uh we're we're Off to the races again like I would Expect to be at all-time high before the Conference okay I was going to say when Do you think we get 100K uh well let's see what we have in Store at the conference uh you know I Know some bullish things that we're Planning there I don't know what it's Going to do to the price but uh if I Were someone on the sidelines and Consuming the content that we've got Coming out of the conference uh I would Be frantically downloading you know my Preferred Bitcoin purchasing app and uh Smashing by so I think we could see it You know very shortly after uh July 27th Amazing that makes us all the more
Excited for the conference I definitely Want to touch on the conference um to Round us all out I have one more I guess Let's call it uh philosophy question um Eric Weinstein uh talked to you in the Past and he said yeah I was surprised to To have uh heard this from you and I Thought it was awesome um you guys Talking together he said okay Bitcoin Has succeeded now what um have you found The answer to that question I mean kind of uh so this has been a big Theme that I've talked about uh uh Especially recently it's like uh I do Think we're on the precipice of having Made it let's say as an industry uh and As like bitcoiners and uh you know to to Kind of repeat the the statement it's Like okay well now that we've fixed the World with the current you know we fixed The currency uh it's time to fix the World you know what are we going to do Like what are we going to build how are We going to take our Newfound wealth and Influence and power and make the world a Better place and I think that that's That's like my Hallmark of success of Our industry it's not that we all get Stupid rich and buy yachts and you know Never have a care about the world again It's like no yeah our job is to take the Fact that we understood what was Happening better than anyone else and Apply those lessons that got us to to
Buy Bitcoin uh to go fix the world Around us and so like I want to see you Know uh uh the food system fixed ni Little thumbs up I want to See fixed I want to see uh uh government And and you know power structures fixed Like there's so many things out there That are broken whose core reason They're broken can be traced back to you Know inflation and and you know the Monetary system that we have and uh uh It's on us to go reform those Institutions and if not reform them then Have to go build new ones uh because Society doesn't function without them And so uh that's what I would say is the Now what uh it's like go engage like I'm Rambling but like you know one of the Things I've always said is the Hallmark That we know that Bitcoin has succeeded Is when the the greatest bitcoiners Aren't working on it anymore you know They're working on new problems they're Working on other things Bitcoin Works Bitcoin is And so the rest of us now get to go Dedicate Our Lives to something else uh And it's something that you know will be Changed by us because we were changed by Bitcoin so you know uh I wish I could Tell you what that will be for me uh uh What that will be for you know the People I know in in the space all I know Is that uh it's the right question for
Us to be asking ourselves and uh I'm Very excited for that time in everyone's Life when we get to uh relax on bitcoin And focus on new things because it it's Coming it's coming yeah I am too things Are moving fast in a even a Beyond a Mors law kind of a way it feels that Something huge is around the corner um And I hope it's for the betterment of Humanity um let's jump let's finish we Got a round out of course talking about The conference I think just us starting Off talking about Donald Trump and him Being there is the best advertisement You could have for the conference um are The doors being broken down now over There now that you know you guys and you Guys invited Trump I'm sure that was Huge but now God Trump almost was killed Um what's Nashville gonna look like for For all of us so I can tell you that I'm In the process of confirming like uh two Of the most famous people in the entire World goodness as speakers and you know We'll see if they they confirm but they Both have indicated that they would like To speak so you know to say that like The doors are being beaten down right Now and they're being beaten down by People that you wouldn't expect need to Beat down a door to get into it you know So uh I think this event is going to be Insane like I think this is Woodstock Level uh moment for people wow and uh uh
I think that the world is going to Change the the world will be a different Place after this event than it was Before and uh like I I don't know how Else to tell people that that either you Were there or you weren't you know like Either you were there for history to be Made or you weren't there you know and So uh you know we in 2021 we had bu uh And he announced legal tender for El Salvador yeah incredible and you know People in the audience were sobbing like It was it was such a special moment you Like it was so powerful I will remember That for the rest of my life and I know Many people who were there the exact Same way and so all I can tell you is I Ran programming for that event I knew Everything that happened on that event I I I did it all right I run this event Entirely this event will blow 2021 out Of the water in terms of its impact on Bitcoin and its impact on the world you Have to be there you have to be there so You know if you don't already have a Ticket make sure you get it if you don't Have at a hotel like good luck uh you Can go you know there there are still Places to get hotels but few and far Between uh we're going to have like over 20,000 people there at least and it's Gonna be nuts uh you like you have to be There yeah this episode's going out as Soon as possible after we finish so
Hopefully we can get as many people Going to bitcoin Nashville the state is Going to be you know overrun with uh With everyone honestly of all Backgrounds um out of all the speakers Who are you um interested in seeing me Personally I really wanted to go um see Whitney web I mean you're going to be to Very busy I'm sure but um anybody that Is maybe under the radar because you Guys have so many amazing speakers this Year um who who any that anybody should Check out they might not be familiar With yeah well certainly some of the People that we're getting across the Finish line right now will be very Exciting to meet uh I would say uh if You wanted an under the radar one that That I find really interesting I've said Them a couple times uh there's a new Company called Alpin Labs uh and I find What they're doing to be very Interesting they're doing ZK rollups on Bitcoin uh uh you know some of the most Technically sophisticated people I've Had a chance to talk to um and and I Think like that's a uh in the same way That no one knew much about like strike Kind of before they burst onto the Scenes uh I would say like no one knows About them until they burst onto the Scenes but they're going to burst on the Scenes soon so that's an interesting one I mean have so many great companies at
The event uh uh that's that's like you Got to understand from my perspective Right like uh uh we're doing the most Culturally relevant event for bitcoiners But also the most important event for The industry and so you know being able To gather all the companies there being Able to get all the CEOs talking to each Other there's tons of m&a deals there's Tons of Business Development deals There's tons of you know uh investment Of new startups all this kind of stuff That's happening so uh that's what I'm Really excited to see I I always love Hearing about out and seeing the the Conference being used as a place for Bitcoin industry to grow uh so that's Also probably like my most exciting kind Of thing to to experience this year Amazing and uh just closing out what Advice do you have to people that that Hold Bitcoin um obviously we've had I Feel like conferences almost have been In places where there bare markets that Are happen for maybe the last three Years I want to say um but now we're More of a crab market with a the light Is at the end of the tunnel kind of Thing um what kind of advice would you Give to Them buy Bitcoin I don't know what else To say man don't be bearish right now Don't be bearish uh yeah it's gonna be a Big week next
Week awesome yeah we're all looking Forward to it it'll be my first time in Nashville and um I'm I'm beyond stoked I Can't even out of all the events I've Went to this one certainly it's roped in So many people I know just to come who Weren't even planning on going so yeah Be sure Pi your tickets we're going to Put links in the description for Everybody um and yeah Brandon thanks so Much man Isaiah thank you great to chat Excited to see you in Nashville hope I See you in Nashville yeah thanks Again thanks for watching here at 99 Bitcoins we're the number one hub for Crypto education on the internet so if You like that video check out some other Ones over here and no more meme coins we Promise